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Old 03-04-2017, 05:08 PM
 
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Its billed as a patriotic movie, obviously, but does it actually portray Islamic terrorism as evil or does it take the PC route? For example in Argo, while they had the Iranian terrorists take over the embassy, they tried to justify their actions by criticizing US policies in Iran before the revolution. Does Patriots Day make apologies for Islamic terrorism and try to get us to sympathize with their cause? Do the filmmaker attempt to make us feel bad for the terrorists in some way?

Does the movie underemphasize the Islamic nature of the Tsarnaev brothers and make them more generically evil, or are they honest about the culture of radical Islam and radical Muslim beliefs, and their contribution to terrorism? For example, Hacksaw Ridge was very realistic in its portrayal of how radical and crazed the Japanese soldiers were during WW2.

I can deal with some "not all Muslims are terrorists" political correctness but I hope they don't try to justify their cause or blame America for the attack.
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Old 03-04-2017, 06:59 PM
 
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If you mean does the movie have the intention of vilifying an entire religion and casting all of its devotees as enemies of America, then no. That's not being PC. It's being honest, logical, and human.


It sounds like you believe all Muslims are terrorists. The movie won't support your agenda.
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Old 03-04-2017, 07:06 PM
 
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Where'd the OP get the idea that the movie "Patriots Day" could be 'sympathetic' towards Islamic terrorist nutcases?

If anything, the movie portrays the two for what they were without going into minute detail about what motivated them or 'justifying' their actions. The movie showed them to be remorseless killers who thought nothing of killing innocent people for their twisted beliefs.

One of the bombers was shown to be somewhat aloof, just like any other American teenager, who seemed to be egged on by his brother who was the more fanatical one. In fact he seemed to be a bumbling teen who didn't know what he was getting into fully, but went with it at the point of no return.
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Old 03-04-2017, 08:26 PM
 
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Where'd the OP get the idea that the movie "Patriots Day" could be 'sympathetic' towards Islamic terrorist nutcases?

If anything, the movie portrays the two for what they were without going into minute detail about what motivated them or 'justifying' their actions. The movie showed them to be remorseless killers who thought nothing of killing innocent people for their twisted beliefs.

One of the bombers was shown to be somewhat aloof, just like any other American teenager, who seemed to be egged on by his brother who was the more fanatical one. In fact he seemed to be a bumbling teen who didn't know what he was getting into fully, but went with it at the point of no return.
I'm sure the OP will find your description of the younger bomber to be anti-American, PC propaganda.
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Old 03-04-2017, 08:55 PM
 
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So I figured - not really a focus on the Islamic fundamentalist ideology that gave rise to these attacks.

No, I'm not asking for all Muslims to be villified, but for the filmmakers to not deny that Islamic fundamentalist ideology was practiced by these two killers. At minimum there should have been a scene where the two brothers pray the morning of the attack, and for them to say "Allah akbar" the moment the bomb explodes. That what simply be realistic.

The PC move would be to brush over the Islamic aspect of the Tsarnaev family because the radical Islamic ideology is what contributed to their anti-Americanism, which combined with Chechnya was the motive of the bombing in real life.
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Old 03-04-2017, 10:11 PM
 
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Perhaps the OP should actually watch the movie first before making conclusions.

There are several scenes where the brothers invoke Islam, particularly one scene before the brothers leave to carry out the bombings, and there's also some paranoid conspiracy theories these brothers talk about in regards to 9/11.

There's even a monologue towards the end where the cops talk about good vs evil (Islam).

And in no way in the movie do they try to portray Islamic fanatics in any sympathetic way whatsoever. Like I said, these two are portrayed for the savages they were, cold blooded killers who maimed and killed many innocent people, including a little boy in a heartbreaking scene. They also pulled no punches in showing how they executed a police officer, and the savage shootout that they engaged the police in (incredibly, the movie got most of these scenes as accurate as possible to real life events).

So there you go OP, this movie IS a pro USA/pro Boston movie, where evil is portrayed as evil with nothing sympathetic portrayed about them. It is about innocent people who were victimized, but pulled together to fight evil.
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Old 03-06-2017, 06:10 AM
 
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Its billed as a patriotic movie, obviously, but does it actually portray Islamic terrorism as evil or does it take the PC route? For example in Argo, while they had the Iranian terrorists take over the embassy, they tried to justify their actions by criticizing US policies in Iran before the revolution. Does Patriots Day make apologies for Islamic terrorism and try to get us to sympathize with their cause? Do the filmmaker attempt to make us feel bad for the terrorists in some way?

Does the movie underemphasize the Islamic nature of the Tsarnaev brothers and make them more generically evil, or are they honest about the culture of radical Islam and radical Muslim beliefs, and their contribution to terrorism? For example, Hacksaw Ridge was very realistic in its portrayal of how radical and crazed the Japanese soldiers were during WW2.

I can deal with some "not all Muslims are terrorists" political correctness but I hope they don't try to justify their cause or blame America for the attack.
So what you're saying is that reality - such as the plain and obvious fact that most Muslims aren't terrorists - is politically correct. Think about that.

Really, you're just defining 'political correctness' as 'anything I don't like, especially if it sounds kinda liberal'.

But you know what? You're the one being politically correctness. Political correctness is nothing more than social speech codes, and Patriots Day offends you because it doesn't present the jingoistic anti-Muslim message that you want it to present. You don't like the message. The message doesn't adhere to your demands for 'proper' observations vis-a-vis Muslims.

That's political correctness by you!

[You'll never see this, of course, because you think that speech codes that you like are magically exempt from being political correctness, 'cause it's all about you... ]
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Old 03-06-2017, 02:19 PM
 
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So I figured - not really a focus on the Islamic fundamentalist ideology that gave rise to these attacks.

No, I'm not asking for all Muslims to be villified, but for the filmmakers to not deny that Islamic fundamentalist ideology was practiced by these two killers. At minimum there should have been a scene where the two brothers pray the morning of the attack, and for them to say "Allah akbar" the moment the bomb explodes. That what simply be realistic.

The PC move would be to brush over the Islamic aspect of the Tsarnaev family because the radical Islamic ideology is what contributed to their anti-Americanism, which combined with Chechnya was the motive of the bombing in real life.
Did they do those things in real life?

http://www.history.com/topics/boston-marathon-bombings
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Old 03-06-2017, 10:39 PM
 
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Well this movie sounds okay then. It's that with today's political environment I'm very mindful of which movies and/or actors/filmmakers/directors get my financial support. I was very hesitant to watch Rogue One in theaters because of the directors and producers' anti-Trump views and because they claimed the movie was an anti-Trump movie after the fact.

I made a point to go watch Hacksaw Ridge by Mel Gibson, God's Not Dead 2, and American Sniper when those were out. Hacksaw Ridge was a very poignant film about WW2 and Mel Gibson is a great director and it was a very powerful movie about a true story.

I also refused to watch Lincoln, Free State of Jones, Djano, and the Machete movies because of their radical politics (in the case of the first three their anti-Southern bias). The Machete movies are openly supportive of illegal Mexican immigration.

It is reasonable for a movie about the Boston Marathon bombing to feature the terrorists praying and invoking Allah. To not do so would be like having a movie where Nazis appear but their anti-Semitism is not mentioned and where nobody does the Hitler salute, or having a movie set in the former USSR where the Communist Party and socialist ideology is not mentioned.
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Old 03-07-2017, 12:21 AM
 
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I was very hesitant to watch Rogue One in theaters because of the directors and producers' anti-Trump views
Do you know how long it takes to make a movie like Rogue One? That is not something they can just throw together in a month.
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