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Old 12-04-2013, 07:11 AM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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that is because the law is currently made up by people who were paid by the illegal immigration lobby. they intentionally made the rules so they wouldn't be effective.
do you ever say we don't need more gun laws because there are already xx,xxx gun laws? just curious...
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Old 12-05-2013, 03:37 PM
 
Location: NJ
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odd, it worked for me from my google search yesterday, but now the link requires a login. here's some others:

The Impact of Another I-9 Audit Wave on Employers | LawLogix

this is the google link to the SHRM article, should work now:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...X8yIDBn3gKFVaQ
it seems like a large increase but i don't think that 3,000 audits in all of America is enough to deter businesses from hiring illegals.

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Old 12-05-2013, 03:40 PM
 
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do you ever say we don't need more gun laws because there are already xx,xxx gun laws? just curious...
well, the answer certainly is never "more" laws. its usually better laws that actually make sense. that's what id say when it comes to gun laws.
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Old 12-05-2013, 03:44 PM
 
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What's the address of this shadowy lobby? US 'Mericans demand to know.
im sure its not very shadowy. when a law is proposed to require ID for voting; im sure every politician in that state starts getting lots of calls from groups and individuals who have an interest in that law. it happens for every issue and im sure if you cant get money into politicians accounts; you are at a serious disadvantage.
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Old 12-06-2013, 09:27 AM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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well, the answer certainly is never "more" laws. its usually better laws that actually make sense. that's what id say when it comes to gun laws.
i can agree with that. to your previous post, 3,000 audits isn't a lot in the grand scheme of how many businesses there are, but the threat of an audit occuring puts more businesses on guard. of course, the government could perform more audits, if congress would approve funding for them to expand that group....
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Old 12-06-2013, 06:49 PM
 
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i can agree with that. to your previous post, 3,000 audits isn't a lot in the grand scheme of how many businesses there are, but the threat of an audit occuring puts more businesses on guard. of course, the government could perform more audits, if congress would approve funding for them to expand that group....
but you need a realistic expectation that you will be audited in order to act in a way that may seriously increase your expenses. of course, it would require a lot more staff on the part of government to perform the audits. so attacking the issue from this angle probably isn't the most cost effective. my business is audited on a regular basis and we know that someone is coming. but if the government is doing 3,000 in the usa, so lets simply figure 60 per state per year, id imagine most businesses have no reasonable expectation of being audited. in that case, if you are a smaller business then you definitely wont change your actions from the audits.

in reality, the most cost effective way to deal with them is first at the border. you seal it tight and when you catch people you have to make that interaction very undesirable. maybe you can fine the Mexican government for everyone you catch. once you stop the flow of them inside, then you can decide how to deal with the ones here. its not really worth having the discussion of how to deal with them until after the border is sealed.
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Old 12-07-2013, 06:36 AM
 
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Captain you would be surprised by the number of auditors they would need to audit enough businesses to make "cheaters" change their ways. That goes for people who under report income, pocket the sales tax they collect, keep their employees payroll tax instead of sending it to the government, hire illegals or classify employees as subcontractors. The problem is so vast that you would be one of the first to complain about government hiring.

By the way every audit/revenue agent would pay for themselves many times over.
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Old 12-07-2013, 08:57 AM
 
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well, the answer certainly is never "more" laws. its usually better laws that actually make sense. that's what id say when it comes to gun laws.
Define "better"

Is the constitution a better law or the 20,000 page Obamacare a better law?
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Old 12-07-2013, 01:01 PM
 
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The original constitution or the amended one?
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Old 12-07-2013, 09:02 PM
 
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The original constitution or the amended one?
You mean the original wasn't written by God?
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