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the article didnt interview anybody native to NYC....what do the kids that grow up here do after college? we find a place in our or our significant other's neighborhoods...and dont mind our commute.
yea i understood where the kids were coming from, but being a native dramatically shapes your expectations of the city growing up. My friends and I all got over the dazzling bright lights of the city early enough to know that it's not worth living in a room the size of shoebox "just for the experience" of living in nyc. Although a lot of us hated it, we preferred to suck it up and live at home until we earned enough to live on our own IN A DECENT SIZED APARTMENT. Until then, we just commute like 7thFL said.
I'm sure this is no surprise, but there are also a ton of kids from NYC who are willing to live in a 6x8 in LA although they would never do such a thing in NYC. No shortage of threads on the LA forum that start with "moving to LA!!! no job, no apartment! want to be an actress/musician/porn star/whatever! woohoo!"
Other side of the fence kinda thing, I suppose.
11-17-2010, 08:26 AM
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If New York want to retain the artists/ actors and the middle class who contribute a lot to the city than something will have to done. Something that takes economic conditions into consideration.
I know! We can use federal funds to bailout banks!!!! That will fix it!
On the bright side Bloomberg is making a home in the Southern Bronx for the working/middle class of today and tomorrow, with housing specifically for this segment. Whatever lots remain are being built exclusively as rental/sales for the middle income segment, and there is more to come.
As for artists and the like, there are still plenty of affordable places to live for them, it's just not in Manhattan, however the outerboroughs have plenty of places (South Bronx included).
"Brownstones meant for two or three families get chopped up into six or seven unit apartments- sometimes illegally. It's like a domino effect of rising rental prices"
I doubt there are many brownstones in NYC that were "meant" for two or three families when they were built. They were usually built way back in the 19th c for a SINGLE family, including that family's servants.
Places change. Single families get cut up into "family apartments" Single familes are converted into SRO buildings. SRO buildings get converted to condos, with multi room condo apartments. Condos and apts get converted back to something like SRO status, via roommates.
And each time, its the previous incarnation that was the way it was "meant" to be, and the new one that is destroying the nabe.
Welcome to the USA, esp to NYC.
Now its true that some mixes can make for especially strong nabes - nabes with families in the public schools will have more active school communities, people who are more long term will be more politically active (though political inactivity seems to be worst at either end of the spectrum - high turn over quite young, or suburbanites on large lots, esp if turnover is relatively high) but there are so many areas with forms of homogeneity that impact negatively on community - I mean upscale DINKS in suburban TH or Manhattan condos will neglect the public schools as much as hipster 20 somethings - Hell, as (until this year) public school parent, I would rather have the 20 something hipsters around than a lot of elderly homeowners - the latter are inclined to get QUITE politically active, mainly to cut property taxes and slash the public schools - better 20 somethings who ignore it all
"I'm sure this is no surprise, but there are also a ton of kids from NYC who are willing to live in a 6x8 in LA although they would never do such a thing in NYC. No shortage of threads on the LA forum that start with "moving to LA!!! no job, no apartment! want to be an actress/musician/porn star/whatever! woohoo!"
Other side of the fence kinda thing, I suppose"
Simple economics. If my DD, after college, gets a job in DC, she will have as an option a bedroom and share in the rest of a nice suburban TH, for free (or possibly for a modest rental payment that will go into a special account to help pay off her student loans) Worth the inconvenience of suburbia. IF she gets a job in NYC, to live in an equivalent situation, she will have to pay a rent that will be more than nominal. And live with folks who arent, you know, her parents. A small share in some hipster nabe in NYC will make more sense than the equivalent in DC would.
I don't understand the LIVING in Manhattan obsession. Its fun to go there and enjoy everything it has to offer but it is so overcrowded, so expensive, so hectic, and very tight spaced. Living in the outer part of the boroughs is just so much more peaceful and you're still close to everything.
I don't understand the LIVING in Manhattan obsession. Its fun to go there and enjoy everything it has to offer but it is so overcrowded, so expensive, so hectic, and very tight spaced. Living in the outer part of the boroughs is just so much more peaceful and you're still close to everything.
Outer boroughs are mostly ugly. Not much in terms of architecture. There are nice neighborhoods, but the prices there are already at Manhattan level.
Also, don't underestimate the commute which takes your time away.
Outer boroughs are mostly ugly. Not much in terms of architecture. There are nice neighborhoods, but the prices there are already at Manhattan level.
Also, don't underestimate the commute which takes your time away.
I am doing research on Queens and Brooklyn. It seems like Sunnyside, Woodside, and Forest Hills are good neighborhoods for Queens? And Park Slope, Williamsburg, Brooklyn Heights? But what I don't get is why it would cost as much to live there as Manhattan. What is the point then??
I am doing research on Queens and Brooklyn. It seems like Sunnyside, Woodside, and Forest Hills are good neighborhoods for Queens? And Park Slope, Williamsburg, Brooklyn Heights? But what I don't get is why it would cost as much to live there as Manhattan. What is the point then??
Park Slope / Brooklyn Heights / Williamsburg are expensive because a lot of people want to live there. There are a lot of restaurants, nightlife, interesting people etc. Also they have some nice architecture (except Williamsburg).
Queens is cheaper than Manhattan or Brooklyn.
Anyway, it is better to just come and see for yourself what the neighborhoods are like. People are different and descriptions are sometimes deceiving.
I am doing research on Queens and Brooklyn. It seems like Sunnyside, Woodside, and Forest Hills are good neighborhoods for Queens? And Park Slope, Williamsburg, Brooklyn Heights? But what I don't get is why it would cost as much to live there as Manhattan. What is the point then??
There are only an handful of neighborhood in the country that can compare with a great New York neighborhood (and nowhere can compare with the best, like the Village or the UWS). These neighborhoods are completely walkable, have subway access, and dozens (in some cases hundreds) of bars, restaurants, shops, etc. within a few block radius. They usually have close access to a park, and any other amenity you could want, never mind the theaters and museums.
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