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It's like a lot of these transplants live in an alternate reality where they can only see a narrow range of companies to work at and neighborhoods to live in. I am a landlord in two unfabulous neighborhoods (Borough Park and Gravesend) and an employer in an unfabulous industry (beverage wholesale). To read this forum you would think there was a waiting list a mile long for decent jobs and decent apartments. And yet I had a vacancy in one of my units for several months last year and my company had to hire a temp for two months even though we were advertising an admin position in Manhattan with excellent pay and a Cadillac health plan! And the girl we did ultimately hire gets flak from her transplant pals for working in a warehouse! Bad craziness, I tell you.
I agree. We are middle class and live in the Bronx, in an attractive neighborhood with good transportation, and are able to afford a house with a backyard and rental. It's possible to be middle class and live a nice lifestyle in the city, but certainly not in the trendiest parts of the city.
Lately though, we have had more interest in our rental from people from other parts of the city or country. Our current tenant is originally from LA, and the two previous tenants were from Wisconsin and Nevada.
I agree. We are middle class and live in the Bronx, in an attractive neighborhood with good transportation, and are able to afford a house with a backyard and rental. It's possible to be middle class and live a nice lifestyle in the city, but certainly not in the trendiest parts of the city.
Lately though, we have had more interest in our rental from people from other parts of the city or country. Our current tenant is originally from LA, and the two previous tenants were from Wisconsin and Nevada.
Attractive neighborhood in the Bronx? I have only ever driven through the Bronx and that is all I ever plan on doing in that part. Nope, you'd never see me getting out of the car in the area I drove through.
There are some very nice areas of the Bronx....especially in the Northeast Bronx (Pelham Parkway). Riverdale which is in the Bronx and a very expensive area of the Bronx might I add. All of the Bronx is not created equal!
Attractive neighborhood in the Bronx? I have only ever driven through the Bronx and that is all I ever plan on doing in that part. Nope, you'd never see me getting out of the car in the area I drove through.
isnt it sort of unfair for the average person who would love to enjoy working and living in what is argueably the greatest city in the world? The fact is that the average person, with an average education, pretty much has no chance of making it there.
I don't think it's unfair. Demand drives the prices. We are also currently dealing with an economic environment that has made it challenging to live in many areas, not just NYC. If you work hard and have reasonable expectations, I think many people have a decent shot at "making it". Making it doesn't have to be living in a Park Avenue penthouse. It is a big city with a lot of lifestyles. My husband moved to NYC in the 1980s from Europe with $5 and only a few words of English that he picked up from watching movies. He now is an owner of a successful business and we lead a very comfortable life in NYC. But we also work very hard for that life. It's not for everyone. People leave because their skillset or personality makes for a better life elsewhere. Not every dream can come true.
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Attractive neighborhood in the Bronx? I have only ever driven through the Bronx and that is all I ever plan on doing in that part. Nope, you'd never see me getting out of the car in the area I drove through.
You are obviously very unfamiliar with the Bronx. I don't mean that in a negative way, but hopefully one day you can experience some of the other nicer areas of the Bronx. There are still some extremely beautiful parts. In fact, if you saw a picture of some of the parts, you might even guess that you were looking at Westchester or somewhere else.
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There is no other city in the world like NYC and everyone should be so lucky as to experience it atleast once in their life. It has always been a very successful city and there are many people who would like to live there, but sadly, few can what with the cost of living being one of if not the highest in the country. The city is filled with educated , affluent, and powerfull people with even more powerfull jobs and careers, and this is what drives that C-O-L up so high. I realise that this may keep an " only-the-elite " citizenship, but isnt it sort of unfair for the average person who would love to enjoy working and living in what is argueably the greatest city in the world? The fact is that the average person, with an average education, pretty much has no chance of making it there.
What do you all think?
There are plenty of other cities in the world that have plenty of similarities for what can be found in NYC. There are also plenty of other very successful cities in the world. And there are plenty of other cities filled with lots of educated, affluent, and powerful people.
I notice the most successful cities(NYC is one example) can paradoxically bring some downfalls such as those places becoming more expensive, more crowded, some people becoming too arrogant for a place. etc. But the success of a city far outweighs the few negatives it may bring. And it is much better for cities to aspire in becoming successful instead of preventing success.
There is no other city in the world like NYC and everyone should be so lucky as to experience it atleast once in their life. It has always been a very successful city and there are many people who would like to live there, but sadly, few can what with the cost of living being one of if not the highest in the country. The city is filled with educated , affluent, and powerfull people with even more powerfull jobs and careers, and this is what drives that C-O-L up so high. I realise that this may keep an " only-the-elite " citizenship, but isnt it sort of unfair for the average person who would love to enjoy working and living in what is argueably the greatest city in the world? The fact is that the average person, with an average education, pretty much has no chance of making it there.
What do you all think?
It all comes down to supply and demand. The same is the situation around Washington D.C., but once you get 10 miles out of the city, the commute becomes 1 hour.
I find it interesting how teachers salaries start at $35K, but they want them to live in the five boroughs (possible, but if a single parent can be tough).
I wonder if a place ever considered having rent stabilized apartments
(certain availability depending on income bracket), but had random drug testing to ensure the quality of the building. I know people would say it is a violation of privacy and would not want it. But it also seems like you have low priced housing in non desirable areas, limited realistic options (in some neighborhoods, how many people post here trying to find hidden gems?), and then many opportunities if you are doing well.
I did a project on Dubai during college and found that most of the blue collar workers would commute 2 hours each way since it is so expensive to live there.
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Nail on head!
