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You are touching on another subject. I know quite a few people that used NYC addresses from Long Island and Westchester where their children were educated for the most part to get into Specialized high schools. I always wondered how they got away with that. Don't they consider that the child went to school in those counties for 7 years before they are spending the 8th year in NYC?
NYC DOE knows there is a huge problem both at elementary and high school level with "cheating" to get children placed into a desired school. Some schools like P.S. 6 do extensive checking to make sure a student is zoned correctly, but often things become murky even if a student is found "not to belong".
IIRC NYC has always found they didn't want to "hurt" a child by removing them from a school even if it is found they aren't supposed to be there. There is also the thing that once a child is admitted to his or her zoned school they cannot be forced to switch even if the family moves out of district. Many parents will take an apartment in Tribeca, the Village, UWS, UES or where there is a great zoned elementary school. Once their child in enrolled the family may stay for a year or so then move, but the kid remains.
Historically P.S 6 had more than a few children of supers, doormen and others employed in those UES "white glove" buildings. Their father's simply used their "work" address as home address.
I was actually referring to Asian Americans who grew up in more affluent neighborhoods in the suburbs and did not attend specialized NYC schools. Believe they are what carib pointed to as being more well rounded than recent immigrants.
I was not aware that there were those who used NYC addresses to game the residency requirements but those situations are not what I was talking about.
Thanks for clarifying that you were not stating this. I'm stating this and I should have stated that, for me your post touched on another situation that I know truly exist.
all these people speaking for the asians.
really? you know some asian immigrants
personally? do they live next to you?
I'm a first gen asian american from poor immigrant chinese parents so I think I am qualified to talk about this subject.
My poor immigrant tiger parents drove it into my mind to succeed from an early age. My parents came penniless to america.. we lived in crime-ridden Wycoff/bushwick in the late seventies, and eventually after years of struggle they succeeded enough to move to Great Neck where I had a top notch suburban education.
I personally am a financially sucessful doctor so it all paid off.
If it makes any of you asian haters out there feel any better... my second generation asian-american son will probably be just as lazy and stupid as any other american, since he will not experience the struggle I did growing up.
I'm a first gen asian american from poor immigrant chinese parents so I think I am qualified to talk about this subject.
My poor immigrant tiger parents drove it into my mind to succeed from an early age. My parents came penniless to america.. we lived in crime-ridden Wycoff/bushwick in the late seventies, and eventually after years of struggle they succeeded enough to move to Great Neck where I had a top notch suburban education.
I personally am a financially sucessful doctor so it all paid off.
If it makes any of you asian haters out there feel any better... my second generation asian-american son will probably be just as lazy and stupid as any other american, since he will not experience the struggle I did growing up.
Nooooo!!! It is your responsibility to keep your parents' legacy going by instilling the same values on your kids!
Jk it is not for me to tell you what to do, but personally I am happy when I see people work hard and succeed, and teach the same values to their children.
Remember people hate on successful people. Misery loves company and all that. That's where this thread started
Indeed the NYT had an article about the problems of heroine addition in Vermont, which is one of teh whitest states in this country.
Yet Vermont has one of the lowest crime rates out there and some of the highest graduation rates out there. For someone with such a valuable MBA you should realize that the NYT was strictly trying to make money off of a politicians statement. One thing for sure is that Vermonters probably can't dance.
In a hundred years most of the world will be Asian/Asian-combo and the question will be: What percentage of Asian are you?
that depends on which application you will fill out. I remember my high school classmate friend of mines who was 1/4 African American. He claimed AA on his application & got into yale. He had no snowball chance in hell getting in if he put Caucasian...of course things may changed since my high school days
And putting people into environments where they can't succeed, just because doing so makes it look "diverse".
The people who will suffer most if they are put into one of these schools, only for diversity purposes, will be those who people pretend to help.
Indeed the best way to help them is by improving the standards of education in the ENTIRE system and doing the best possible to improve parental involvement. Many people who didnt go to Stuy do well in life, so I dont know why the "all or nothing" angst.
Yes, good post. Like I said earlier, I didn't go to any of the specialized high schools but that didn't mean a thing when it came to college. I do admit that I felt a bit bad when people asked what high school I had attended (I attended a college prep program within a BAD high school that was rife with gangs, teen pregnancies, teacher and student assaults, etc.)
I also agree that forced diversity for diversity's sake never works. Instead of focusing on why the specialized high schools don't have enough Black and Hispanic students, said students should be encouraged to excel period and if they happen to be able to make it into the elite schools, then great. If not, there are many other good schools out there that will give a good education and admission into some of the best colleges.
The immigrant drive mentality isn't the province of just Asians. First gens of many cultures, including African, Hispanic/Latin American, Middle Eastern etc. instill a similar drive. My father is an immigrant who came here with limited English and lived in ungentified Brooklyn while attending college to be an engineer. He was definitely a hard ass about education (and so was my mom, for that matter), so I guess I let him down in that respect by not finishing college. I did make up for that by being successful, despite that.
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