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NYC's immigrant population is 30%, with 537,000 illegal immigrants.
NYC population is 8.6 Million.
(537,000/8,600,000)*100 = 6.24%
So 6.24% of the population of NYC is illegal. That is A LOT of affordable housing going to people who are not supposed to be here.
The sanctuary city policies are destroying the middle class here. The affordable housing policy is chasing out anyone who makes between $50K-100K leaving only 2 classes of people : very poor and very rich. The very poor get dirt cheap apartments and middle class hard working people get the boot.
This is Democratic policy. It is anti middle class.
I asked all the Republicans who might run for mayor about it, none of them replied -_-
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Do we really have to have 4 more years of this mayor who does nothing but baby us? Lower speed limit, make sure you use the correct gender pronouns and grow the gap between rich and poor with idiotic policy. The nanny mayor.
Affordable housing for people who make under 50K actually grows the income gap in NYC, because people who make more than 50K leave since they can't afford to live here while poor people stay and get rent controlled apartments. If you really want to decrease the gap, you should help out middle class hard working people with tax breaks and cheap apartments.
If you give a poor person a cheap apartment, they will live there. If you give a middle class person a cheap apartment they will probably start a business with the money they save! Business = jobs.
Illegal immigrants live in market rate apartments, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
And Bloomberg was the nanny mayor, not so much de Blasio.
Illegal immigrants take many affordable market rate apartments, that is one point.
Affordable housing to poor instead of middle class, helping to drive out middle class, is another point.
Illegal immigrants take many affordable market rate apartments, that is one point.
Affordable housing to poor instead of middle class, helping to drive out middle class, is another point.
Did that clear it up?
Don't know what "affordable" market rate apartments you think illegals are "taking".
Yes, they live or live in places like Spanish/East Harlem, Harlem, Washington Heights, Port Richmond, Mariners Harbor, etc... but you also find illegals living in *very* cramped situations. That and or they are living in not so great areas of the city, again often a family (parents and several kids) cramped into a small studio or one bedroom apartment.
As for the balance of your post, illegals do *more* to contribute to NYC's so called "middle class" than many want to know or give credit.
Just who do you think are the employers of all these illegals? From restaurant, shop and other owners of businesses to contractors it is the large "middle class", that is who.
Finding a pizzeria staffed by Italians much less whites is becoming a rarity in NYC, nearly all the places have Mexican/Latino-Hispanics making, serving and delivering pies.
It is the illegals who also deliver food and everything else so the "middle class" in NYC does not have to walk one block to pick-up take away.
Child or elderly care? Guess who? Again the middle class benefits (especially women) from the vast pool of illegals willing to watch their children or elderly parents, clean their houses and so forth often for very little relative money. If Miss Ann had to pay *real* NYC money for qualified domestic help and or childcare she couldn't afford it out of the housekeeping. So she'd have to stay at home and watch her own kids, clean her own house, and run to take care of her own elderly family members.
And before anyone starts, yes it is true. I live on the UES and know what many families pay their "nannies" and it is rather shocking. In some cases dog walkers actually make more on a per hour basis. However again the family is not "rich" just "middle class" (which outside of NYC are would be considered well off), so they can only pay but so much for domestics. Otherwise the sums are such that it does not make sense for the wife to go out and work.
Am no huge fan of illegals either; but it all this moaning often is from people talking out of both sides of their mouths.
Simple fact is that if a majority of illegals packed up and left NYC the economy would suffer great and lasting economic harm. The first salvo over that bow again would be the vast number of businesses run by so called "middle class" persons that now benefit from such labor. They would be forced to pay higher wages (which would be passed onto consumers), to attract workers and even then might not succeed. If they cannot find workers for sums offered businesses will close.
NYC's immigrant population is 30%, with 537,000 illegal immigrants.
NYC population is 8.6 Million.
(537,000/8,600,000)*100 = 6.24%
So 6.24% of the population of NYC is illegal. That is A LOT of affordable housing going to people who are not supposed to be here.
The sanctuary city policies are destroying the middle class here. The affordable housing policy is chasing out anyone who makes between $50K-100K leaving only 2 classes of people : very poor and very rich. The very poor get dirt cheap apartments and middle class hard working people get the boot.
This is Democratic policy. It is anti middle class.
I asked all the Republicans who might run for mayor about it, none of them replied -_-
Do we really have to have 4 more years of this mayor who does nothing but baby us? Lower speed limit, make sure you use the correct gender pronouns and grow the gap between rich and poor with idiotic policy. The nanny mayor.
Affordable housing for people who make under 50K actually grows the income gap in NYC, because people who make more than 50K leave since they can't afford to live here while poor people stay and get rent controlled apartments. If you really want to decrease the gap, you should help out middle class hard working people with tax breaks and cheap apartments.
If you give a poor person a cheap apartment, they will live there. If you give a middle class person a cheap apartment they will probably start a business with the money they save! Business = jobs.
My take on this is that I put blame on both liberals and Republicans who benefit greatly from illegal immigration. Middle Class is what funds taxes and so on. Illegal immigrants help bring down wages because they are willing to work for less money. Back to putting blame. We need to look at federal policies during the years of massive immigration from Senator Jacob Javits, to Pro immigrant President Ronald Reagan who is the father of American Neoliberalism. The rich and wealthy have a mutual relationship with the people at the bottom which makes them dependent on illegal immigration. If I was mayor and employers had illegal immigrants working for firms, those business would have to shutdown temporarily, unless fines are not paid promptly. 2, the Feds need to do a better job with folks who overstay their visas. Most illegal immigrants overstay their visas.
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Originally Posted by fahraynk
Illegal immigrants take many affordable market rate apartments, that is one point.
Affordable housing to poor instead of middle class, helping to drive out middle class, is another point.
Did that clear it up?
Illegal immigrants don't qualify for Affordable Housing. Plenty of illegals live in illegal dwellings and SROs. Some live in apartments.
My take on this is that I put blame on both liberals and Republicans who benefit greatly from illegal immigration. Middle Class is what funds taxes and so on. Illegal immigrants help bring down wages because they are willing to work for less money. Back to putting blame. We need to look at federal policies during the years of massive immigration from Senator Jacob Javits, to Pro immigrant President Ronald Reagan who is the father of American Neoliberalism. The rich and wealthy have a mutual relationship with the people at the bottom which makes them dependent on illegal immigration. If I was mayor and employers had illegal immigrants working for firms, those business would have to shutdown temporarily, unless fines are not paid promptly. 2, the Feds need to do a better job with folks who overstay their visas. Most illegal immigrants overstay their visas.
Illegal immigrants don't qualify for Affordable Housing. Plenty of illegals live in illegal dwellings and SROs. Some live in apartments.
It's not just liberals and Republicans that benefit from illegal immigration. America benefits from it. If it was a bunch of Eastern Europeans working the restaurants, hospitality, construction, and child care industry, would there even be talk of "illegals" and "overstaying visas"? There is so much dog whistling going on here, not just in the forum but in every forum that speaks to "undocumented workers" - the proper terminology. Let's face the facts: most whites are not working the back of a hot kitchen, cleaning sheets, cleaning fish or vegetables at the supermarket, and working 12-15 days on construction sites for minimum wage (or less). Heck, most people on this forum would rather not work than work a manual labor job. Everyone one wants to sound like they're Richard Branson, business extraordinaire, muttering on about capitalism and business. Well folks, this is business. Even if the business practice is wretched, unpatriotic, and smells like borderline legal slavery the way undocumented workers are treated. And the best part is: as much as middle-class whites complain about the "illegals", the filthy-rich whites who run America could care less what they think. Latinos are here for a better life, just like the Irish, Italians, Germans, and other Europeans were at one point. You have a gripe about housing, either pick yourself up and relocate to a place you can afford, or join a union/picket line and raise hell to the corporate executives and small business owners who choose to hire undocumented workers at slave wages over Americans. But let's all just stop the racist dog whistles!
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