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Old 09-23-2017, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Bronx
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1. Hempstead and Yonkers are no cheaper than the lower end NYC neighborhoods.

2. There hasn't been a mass displacement of either ethnic group, even Bushwick is overwhelmingly nonwhite still. The city's Hispanic population is actually increasing.

3. Those that truly get priced out move upstate, to the Lehigh Valley, down South, etc. Bus
To be honest. Nyc inner ring suburbs are just expensive as the city. Only an hour train ride or an hour car ride from the city, homes and cost of living becomes cheap.
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Old 09-23-2017, 01:23 PM
 
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Or the Bronx.
People do get priced out of The Bronx, it's not the 90s anymore when it was actually cheap
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Old 09-23-2017, 02:08 PM
 
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1. Hempstead and Yonkers are no cheaper than the lower end NYC neighborhoods.

2. There hasn't been a mass displacement of either ethnic group, even Bushwick is overwhelmingly nonwhite still. The city's Hispanic population is actually increasing.

3. Those that truly get priced out move upstate, to the Lehigh Valley, down South, etc. Bus
There is mass displacement of Blacks and Hispanics out of Harlem, especially West Harlem.

There's mass displacement in BedStuy and Bushwick. Those who hang out to rent stabilized apartments maybe fine, but they cannot get a new apartment in the area as when someone moves out there will be a gut renovation and the apartment will be made unaffordable to them.

Truthfully there used to be a lot more Latinos in the Lower East Side, Hells Kitchen, and the Upper West Side but many got displaced.

Though if you go back in time MidTown and the West Village once had Black populations that got displaced.

The other thing is the Hispanic population in NYC is not the borg. Puerto Ricans are US citizens, and they did get displaced. Recent Hispanic immigrants live 30 people to a house in parts of Queens, and there's no reason for Puerto Ricans who are US citizens to live like that. People who can get their own apartments or houses are displaced from neighborhoods when rents get too high for a working class person or family to reasonable afford. Of course if you're living 30 people to an illegal rental in areas like Jackson Heights, Corona, or Elmhurst, if the rent goes up just add 5 or 10 more people to your house.

They were South Asian, but I remember when the family above us had 17 people in a two bedroom apartment. This is how poor immigrants live in NYC, and this has major effects on the housing market, on resources including public education, and on the labor market.

NYC would be a very different place if the city enforced the housing/rental regulations.
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Old 09-23-2017, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Between the Bays
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People do get priced out of The Bronx, it's not the 90s anymore when it was actually cheap
And they typically move to elsewhere in the Bronx than any other county in the country.
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Old 09-23-2017, 02:48 PM
 
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There is mass displacement of Blacks and Hispanics out of Harlem, especially West Harlem.

There's mass displacement in BedStuy and Bushwick. Those who hang out to rent stabilized apartments maybe fine, but they cannot get a new apartment in the area as when someone moves out there will be a gut renovation and the apartment will be made unaffordable to them.

Truthfully there used to be a lot more Latinos in the Lower East Side, Hells Kitchen, and the Upper West Side but many got displaced.

Though if you go back in time MidTown and the West Village once had Black populations that got displaced.

The other thing is the Hispanic population in NYC is not the borg. Puerto Ricans are US citizens, and they did get displaced. Recent Hispanic immigrants live 30 people to a house in parts of Queens, and there's no reason for Puerto Ricans who are US citizens to live like that. People who can get their own apartments or houses are displaced from neighborhoods when rents get too high for a working class person or family to reasonable afford. Of course if you're living 30 people to an illegal rental in areas like Jackson Heights, Corona, or Elmhurst, if the rent goes up just add 5 or 10 more people to your house.

They were South Asian, but I remember when the family above us had 17 people in a two bedroom apartment. This is how poor immigrants live in NYC, and this has major effects on the housing market, on resources including public education, and on the labor market.

NYC would be a very different place if the city enforced the housing/rental regulations.
This is how a lot of transplants operate too

30 immigrants in a small house in Corona? 6 yuppies in a 2 bedroom in the east village? Neither could afford living with the intended number of people because the rents are too high across the board, except for the ultra-luxe. Landlords win either way, whether they're slumlords to immigrants or slumlords to idiot yuppies.

I bet both the immigrant washing dishes and the yuppie making 50-60k being a business drone could have a better life in the midwest or something, but hey, it's not New York.
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Old 09-23-2017, 02:53 PM
 
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This is how a lot of transplants operate too

30 immigrants in a small house in Corona? 6 yuppies in a 2 bedroom in the east village? Neither could afford living with the intended number of people because the rents are too high across the board, except for the ultra-luxe. Landlords win either way, whether they're slumlords to immigrants or slumlords to idiot yuppies.

I bet both the immigrant washing dishes and the yuppie making 50-60k being a business drone could have a better life in the midwest or something, but hey, it's not New York.
The city is also not enforcing the occupancy laws. That would put an immediate end to both the immigrants in the small house in Corona and the yuppies in the East Village. We would have a very different city. And it's not just slumlords that are guilty, it's tenants who sublease their apartments as well.
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Old 09-23-2017, 03:31 PM
 
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Definitely true re: subletters, yeah.

I doubt the city will ever start enforcing these kinds of laws, at least not in the current political climate, because it would be seen as anti-immigrant, and no elected politician in New York will risk being compared to Trump.
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Old 09-23-2017, 03:38 PM
 
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And they typically move to elsewhere in the Bronx than any other county in the country.
The Hispanics are going to NYC's Six Borough: Florida.....specifically the Orlando area, since Miami is way, way overpriced......
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Old 09-23-2017, 03:40 PM
 
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Definitely true re: subletters, yeah.

I doubt the city will ever start enforcing these kinds of laws, at least not in the current political climate, because it would be seen as anti-immigrant, and no elected politician in New York will risk being compared to Trump.
At some point they will have to because these violations of housing have caused huge distortions in the market whether its immigrants or transplants.

If something like an overcrowded house accidentally burned down that could force the politicians hands, as lack of enforcement of housing laws would be leading to danger.
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Old 09-23-2017, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Between the Bays
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The Hispanics are going to NYC's Six Borough: Florida.....specifically the Orlando area, since Miami is way, way overpriced......
Florida would be lumped with the next tier of locations that includes Long Island, Staten Island, Westchester and NJ.
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