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Wow. That seems like a lot of hoops to go through for someone who just wants to learn. Makes more sense to me that you would have to learn how to shoot first in a controlled environment before you got your license. The same way you do a car. And long guns can be just as deadly as a handgun so not sure what the logic is there.
NY's gun laws all stem from the Sullivan Act passed in (I believe) 1912. It was aimed at "nefarious" Italian assassins who concealed handguns. Plus back then, long guns were still necessary for much of the population's every day life for various tasks.
Grenades (throwable bombs) were extant and recognized as arms in the English language as used at the time of the passing of the 2nd Amendment. Grenadiers using grenades as arms existed as early as the 1670s. A strictly literal interpretation of the term "arms" in the 2nd Amendment would certainly include hand grenades.
I'm not aware of PA having a hand grenade throwing range. I'm not sure any sane person would think hand grenades should be "free of any government interference." But then again, I don't think any sane person thinks the ownership of guns should be entirely "free of any government interference." Those that do are akin to religious extremists in their literal interpretation of "sacred" texts.
...and I don't give two chits about anyone else's opinion of 27 extremely clear words, as I've told you before. You won't tease a debate out of me. There's none to be had.
Grenades (throwable bombs) were extant and recognized as arms in the English language as used at the time of the passing of the 2nd Amendment. Grenadiers using grenades as arms existed as early as the 1670s. A strictly literal interpretation of the term "arms" in the 2nd Amendment would certainly include hand grenades.
I'm not aware of PA having a hand grenade throwing range. I'm not sure any sane person would think hand grenades should be "free of any government interference." But then again, I don't think any sane person thinks the ownership of guns should be entirely "free of any government interference." Those that do are akin to religious extremists in their literal interpretation of "sacred" texts.
Brilliant analogy, second amendment folks often seem to view the amendment as sacred and divinely uttered text. Often as some religious fanatics view one verse in the bible as being more literal and important over the rest of the bible, or Holy Book. Like some fundamentalist only think that if they oppose homosexuality then they can ignore the rest of the Bibles teachings. You know like caring for the widows and orphans and foreigners.
My condolences to the families devastated by this attack and to the larger Jewish community.
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