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Old 09-21-2016, 07:07 AM
 
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The N.C. Court of Appeals ruled on Tuesday that two former magistrates have no legal standing to sue state court administrators who informed magistrates in 2014 that they could lose their jobs if they refused to perform gay marriages.

The former magistrates, Gilbert Breedlove from Swain County and Thomas Holland of Graham County, resigned after John Smith, former head of the state Administrative Office of the Courts, issued his guidance memo. The two former magistrates, who described themselves as devout Christians, filed a lawsuit filed in April 2015 seeking to be reappointed as magistrates and to receive back pay and benefits for the time spent resigned from their posts.

The appeals court upheld a lower court ruling to dismiss their case. Both courts found that the plaintiffs lacked standing for their lawsuit because local judges have power to appoint, suspend or fire them – not the state officials who sent the memo.

Former NC magistrates who resigned over gay marriage duties lack standing to sue, NC Appeals court rules | The Charlotte Observer
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Old 09-21-2016, 10:28 AM
 
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Hooray for common sense.
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Old 09-21-2016, 10:34 AM
 
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Roy Cooper also refused to do his job on "moral" grounds. Fire him too!
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Old 09-21-2016, 11:33 AM
 
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Roy Cooper also refused to do his job on "moral" grounds. Fire him too!
He didn't claim it was on "religious" grounds. Anyway, he will be governor soon enough.

Also, why don't you fire Thom Tillis and Richard Burr, the Senators who refuse to take a vote on the current Supreme Court nominee (as is their job), while you're branching out?
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Old 09-21-2016, 11:45 AM
 
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He didn't claim it was on "religious" grounds.
So it's cool to abdicate your job, so long as it's not for religious reasons? WTF?
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Old 09-21-2016, 01:37 PM
 
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Is anyone keeping track of how many times North Carolina has been smacked down by federal counts recently? How much money has been wasted on these pointless, out of touch crusades?
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Old 09-21-2016, 01:45 PM
 
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There was a time when liberals supported conscientious objection. Now it's a human rights violation if nuns don't pay for abortions and evangelicals don't personally sign gay marriage certificates

Maybe it'll take the Muslim population hitting critical mass for them to have tolerance for religious freedom. At which point, they'll long for the days when Christians were the primary enemy
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Old 09-21-2016, 07:09 PM
 
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There was a time when liberals supported conscientious objection. Now it's a human rights violation if nuns don't pay for abortions and evangelicals don't personally sign gay marriage certificates

Maybe it'll take the Muslim population hitting critical mass for them to have tolerance for religious freedom. At which point, they'll long for the days when Christians were the primary enemy
Marriage is NOT a provenance of any church. Any couple can get married without clergy but NO couple can get married without a state license. This, alone, proves that religion has no legal standing in marriage and has no business trying to dictate who has the right to marry.

And If evangelicals were truly concerned about either biblical morality or family stability, they would be going all in on banning divorce first, since by all estimates it is much more common than gay marriage, and has proven devastating effects on innocent people. The fact that we don't see evangelicals advocating for legal sanctions against divorce clearly demonstrates that the effort to ban gay marriage is not at all about wanting to enforce "biblical morality" or family stability, but about something else all together. Unless they are willing to admit and face what that "something else" is, the hidden motives behind their anti-gay marriage effort, it is a effort based in lies and deceit.
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Old 09-21-2016, 07:10 PM
 
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Marriage is NOT a provenance of any church. Any couple can get married without clergy but NO couple can get married without a state license. This, alone, proves that religion has no legal standing in marriage and has no business trying to dictate who has the right to marry.
Therein lies the problem. Government should get out of the marriage business altogether

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And If evangelicals were truly concerned about either biblical morality or family stability, they would be going all in on banning divorce first, since by all estimates it is much more common than gay marriage, and has proven devastating effects on innocent people. The fact that we don't see evangelicals advocating for legal sanctions against divorce clearly demonstrates that the effort to ban gay marriage is not at all about wanting to enforce "biblical morality" or family stability, but about something else all together. Unless they are willing to admit and face what that "something else" is, the hidden motives behind their anti-gay marriage effort, it is a effort based in lies and deceit.
We don't get to decide what's important to other religions. They all have their quirks
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Old 09-21-2016, 07:20 PM
 
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Therein lies the problem. Government should get out of the marriage business altogether
Churches are not the arbiters of marriage. Agnostics, Atheists, people who do have not managed to follow the rules of their religion, or who have none, they can get married by the state.
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