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"When the oil age ends, we may find ourselves in a new stone age."
Ursa22, nature loving, tree hugging, "greenie".
Well every generation has its doomsday apocalyptics (both secular and religious), of which apparently you belong to for this age.
At any rate, the quote actually supports your earlier point, that we will eventually move on to something else (that is why I posted it) - though it does not support the idea that we will move on because we run out of oil.
By the way, I see you dropped the "argumentative" from your original response, LOL.
You think the bubble is just heating up, it only takes one or two instances like this to pop the entire thing with the reactionary way lawmakers react to things like this. If I had a home in Williston, I'd sell it, take the money and run. Hopefully we can balance energy production, jobs, and the environment in a way where everybody benefits however.
It is a complicated subject, but now I am familiar with the two theories of the origin of petroleum, the conventional one that assumes that oil is biogenic, originating as plant and animal matter and the other, that it is abiogenic, it or its raw material having been formed with the earth when it was formed 4.5 billion years ago.
My learning curve began several years ago with a short article that described the oil field beneath the Eugene 330 oil platform in the Gulf of Mexico. I lost the clipping but did not forget the story of a dried up oil well that was refilling itself. This spring when I found a new discussion of Eugene 330, essentially describing the same conditions, my original conclusions of a mantle filled with or manufacturing petroleum were reinforced, leading to the conclusion that the world's supply of oil was essentially limitless. But by now the Peak Oil people were out in force and desperate to prove that we are due to run out of oil soon, and must prepare ourselves for war and/or starvation. This led me to:
C. Maurice and C. Smithson, Doomsday Mythology: "Every ten or fifteen years since the late 1800's (when we began using petroleum) ‘experts' have predicted that oil reserves would last only ten more years. These ‘experts' have predicted nine of the last zero oil-reserve exhaustions."
Sheik Yamani, one time oil minister to Saudi Arabia, who stated in a speech to Europeans, "The stone age ended, but not because of any lack or stones. Undoubtedly the oil age will end the same way."
Jean Whelan, a geochemist and senior researcher with the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute assigned to study the Eugene field. Becoming familiar with the phenomenon, she said " . . .. I believe there is a huge system of oil just migrating deep underground"
Dr. Thomas Gold's book The Deep Hot Biosphere, in which he theorizes that our oil or the methane from which it could evolve, was formed 4.5 billion years ago when the earth began, that it is not a fossil fuel but picks up traces of fossils as it works its way upwards. This theory leaves the earth with a huge supply of oil unlike the fossil theory, which assumes oil to be the result of a one-time dying off of animals and plants.
The Russian Ukrainian Deep Abiotic Theory (except for Dr Gold, virtually unknown in the West) has long gone beyond theory, the Russians having brought in several fields producing abiotic oil using super deep drilling technology. By 1946 their production had dropped off. Now, they, along with Saudi Arabia and ourselves are one of the three largest producers in the world. This, plus our oil shale, and Canada's tar sands, plus as yet unimagined technologies, plus the fact that oil is only a part of the total energy picture make it seem highly unlikely the world will ever run out of oil.
One clincher in the debate is that Peak Oil writings are terribly muddled. The other is the suspicion that its adherents seem to fall into Professor Kuhn's description of people who cannot accept anything outside their conventional world, people who cannot be scientifically critical, whose every belief must fit their current paradigm.
Geroge Crispin from a 2005 commentary on oil
Very interesting information there. I will definitely have to read up on that. I just assumed that what I was taught in school was correct...that we'd eventually run out of oil. Maybe there IS hope for the future.
I am one of those nonbelievers who think we have little effect on our environment. I don't worry at all about "Global Warming"...sic. I'm more concerned about garbage filling up our landfills. They aren't decomposing as fast as promised. I try to practice "reduce..reuse", but recycling usually creates more hazardous waste than making new stuff. But I digress.
It is good for the country, and it's people, to dig oil out of the ground...it creates much needed jobs. In my opinion, PEOPLE come first.
Very interesting information there. I will definitely have to read up on that. I just assumed that what I was taught in school was correct...that we'd eventually run out of oil. Maybe there IS hope for the future.
Always a dangerous proposition, believing what you were taught in school is correct.
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I am one of those nonbelievers who think we have little effect on our environment. I don't worry at all about "Global Warming"...sic. I'm more concerned about garbage filling up our landfills. They aren't decomposing as fast as promised. I try to practice "reduce..reuse", but recycling usually creates more hazardous waste than making new stuff. But I digress.
I think it is only recently via technology that recycling has become a viable approach, before then it was definitely a pseudo-scientific farce driven by agendas that had nothing to do with evidence.
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It is good for the country, and it's people, to dig oil out of the ground...it creates much needed jobs. In my opinion, PEOPLE come first.
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That has always been the historic approach, even among groups of people who supposedly revered the earth. People, and their survival, were always first.
Just wanted to point out, this is not a news source, it's one man's blog on what he thinks and it's his opinion of what's going on.
Oh yeah, like a "news source" is going to be more trustworthy. The media in this country is constantly shilling for one side or the other, all while operating under the illusion of objectivity.
Even so, it is easy to distinguish the blogger's opinion from the sources he quotes. And like all the alphabet soup agencies under the domain of the Feds, you can be sure there is something other than truth guiding their agenda. That much seems clear from one of the "news source"(s) quoted in the piece.
You think the bubble is just heating up, it only takes one or two instances like this to pop the entire thing with the reactionary way lawmakers react to things like this. If I had a home in Williston, I'd sell it, take the money and run. Hopefully we can balance energy production, jobs, and the environment in a way where everybody benefits however.
I agree with your assessment of an over-reaction or panic. Most problems associated with the fracking appear to have been related to wells that either didn't have proper concrete lining , especially near the surface where ground water is, or the pools where they store the waste water were not properly lined.
These energy companies aren't stupid. They know if they start contaminating local drinking water, the party's over. Fix the problems, by all means but don't destroy a new energy boom and play into the hands of radical environmentalists who would like to shut this all down regardless of whether it's safe or not.
Just wanted to point out, this is not a news source, it's one man's blog on what he thinks and it's his opinion of what's going on.
Kind of like Fahrenheit 9/11?
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