Eight Ohio MSAs rank among 100 most obese MSAs in U.S.

[motorman]

Originally Posted by WRnative

Interesting theory, except it's false. Most of Greater Cleveland gets much less snow than in the snow belt east and northeast of Cleveland. Differences of 10-20 inches of snow compared to most of Ohio over the entire winter doesn't change much as far as extra winter exertion. E.g., many northeastern Ohio suburbs (I don't know about Cleveland), have sidewalk plows and some even plow driveways for seniors. See the snowfall map here:

http://water.ohiodnr.gov/maps/hydrologic-atlas#PRE

To the contrary, this theory might be the most plausible reason why Clevelanders may be viewed as less obese than Ohioans farther south. In fact, your link's second map exemplifies just how badly Greater Cleveland gets belted with snowbelt region precipitation far more so than does the rest of the state. And that this seasonal onslaught of snow and ice transforms the Cleveland metro into a winter wonderland playground for a few doesn't alter the fact that it also creates an entirely less pleasant landscape for the many who have to grapple with it on a daily basis outside of recreation.

[motorman]

Originally Posted by WRnative

Betterdoctor has very little presence in Greater Cleveland because both University Hospitals and the Cleveland Clinic, the duopoly that controls much of the medical care provided in Greater Cleveland, uses their own private ranking services and provides patients with rating links after visits/hospital stays.

Cincinnati's high ratings in your above link, especially of better doctors, is provided by means of betterdoctor.com. Practices need to be registered in order to receive a betterdoctor rating.

Here's a more respected take on the relative quality of healthcare in Cleveland and Akron compared to Cincinnati.

https://health.usnews.com/best-hospitals/area/oh

The fact that Greater Cincinnati does much the same thing throughout its own network of hospitals, clinics and other health providers is undoubtedly one of the reasons it was rated so highly. Quite simply, BetterDoctor didn't need a Cleveland net of health services to validate its own ranking of the Queen City.

In turn, in no way does a U.S.News & WORLD REPORT compilation of Ohio hospitals directly correspond to or offer a more respected take on the quality of exceptional health services provided throughout Greater Cincinnati. Not only does such a cursory listing not mention the immense role that University Hospital plays within Cincinnati, it also doesn't touch on the corresponding role that St. Elizabeth Hospital plays throughout NKY. In this region, these two giant facilities don't need recognition from outside sources. The bottom line is that the rankings and ratings of health care facilities given by any source does not necessarily reflect any specific institution's significant influence in its own community. Lastly, recognition, even at a national level, does not always translate to impact on the immediate community.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by motorman

To the contrary, this theory might be the most plausible reason why Clevelanders may be viewed as less obese than Ohioans farther south. In fact, your link's second map exemplifies just how badly Greater Cleveland gets belted with snowbelt region precipitation far more so than does the rest of the state. And that this seasonal onslaught of snow and ice transforms the Cleveland metro into a winter wonderland playground for a few doesn't alter the fact that it also creates an entirely less pleasant landscape for the many who have to grapple with it on a daily basis outside of recreation.

Your ignorance again is overwhelming.

Northeast Ohio snow removal capabilities dwarf those of Greater Cincinnati. Snow storms that would cripple Cincinnati for days are dealt with in hours in most northeast Ohio communities. And there is a significant difference between the Lake Erie snow belt, where Erie, PA, to southern Buffalo, NY, and not northeast Ohio, receive the brunt of the lake effect storms, and the very large portion of Greater Cleveland located outside of even the portion of the Lake Erie snow belt located in Northeast Ohio.

Snow is NOT a daily occurrence even in the snow belt, let alone levels of snow that actually impede daily life. In fact, based on the weather at Cleveland Hopkins Intl. Airport, the chance of snow on any day averages less than 5 percent from late Nov. to early April. If snow mixed with rain is included, the average is much less than 10 percent. See "Daily Chance of Precipitation."

https://weatherspark.com/y/18154/Ave...tes-Year-Round

The daily probability of snow and mixed precipitation accually isn't that much more favorable in Cincinnati. Most of Greater Cleveland, depending upon location, averages three to five times as much snow when it does snow, compared to Cincinnati, but also has the equipment to deal with it much better, and has the recreational resources to play in the snow.

https://weatherspark.com/y/15856/Ave...tes-Year-Round

And climate change, sadly IMO, is greatly mitigating the severity of northeast Ohio winters. See this post by an individual whose family moved from Florida to spend a year in Beachwood, on the western edge of the northeast Ohio snow belt. See also the subsequent discussions in the thread.

<< Snow removal was on point. They definitely know what they are doing. Even though it was a mild winter, snow/ice was NEVER a problem.>>

A Year in the Cleveland Area

Snow/ice was "NEVER" a problem for a family from Florida, but it is for a Cincinnati homer? Why is that???

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by motorman

The fact that Greater Cincinnati does much the same thing throughout its own network of hospitals, clinics and other health providers is undoubtedly one of the reasons it was rated so highly. Quite simply, BetterDoctor didn't need a Cleveland net of health services to validate its own ranking of the Queen City.

Wrong. Betterdoctor gave a 20 percent weighting to their proprietary ranking of the percentage of doctors who are highly ranked at betterdoctor, where Cincinnati was ranked at 23.7 versus 8.7 percent in Cleveland. This statistic is meaningless as we don't even know the relative percentage of doctors who are registered for betterdoctor in both cities.

http://betterdoctor.com/blog/america...thiest-cities/

As I noted, the large majority of doctors in Greater Cleveland don't participate in betterdoctor and I had never heard of it. Your unsubstantiated claim that it is the same in Cincinnati is just IMO another bit of homer hucksterism by a oft-deceitful Cincinnati booster.

Originally Posted by motorman

In turn, in no way does a U.S.News & WORLD REPORT compilation of Ohio hospitals directly correspond to or offer a more respected take on the quality of exceptional health services provided throughout Greater Cincinnati. Not only does such a cursory listing not mention the immense role that University Hospital plays within Cincinnati, it also doesn't touch on the corresponding role that St. Elizabeth Hospital plays throughout NKY. In this region, these two giant facilities don't need recognition from outside sources. The bottom line is that the rankings and ratings of health care facilities given by any source does not necessarily reflect any specific institution's significant influence in its own community. Lastly, recognition, even at a national level, does not always translate to impact on the immediate community.

Typical homer gobbledygook IMO.

Most persons interested in quality medical care recognize the excellence of the Cleveland Clinic, a renowned international institution based in Cleveland, and the validity of the U.S. News & World Report rankings.