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OK. Abortion ban aside, let's discuss how Republican politicians have been going against voters' demands for the better part of a year now, continually refusing to create a congressional map that isn't gerrymandered heavily in their favor. Why hasn't the state Supreme Court held them in contempt by now? https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/...ry/9359835002/
What does this have to do with the topic of the thread?
What does this have to do with the topic of the thread?
No more off-topic than the post before mine. The general, daily ****tiness of the politicians in our state's capitol can pretty much be wrapped into one thread rather than creating a new one for every political crisis in Ohio.
Impact of abortion restrictions on healthcare quality for women
Ohio's abortion restrictions may severely reduce the quality of healthcare for women, especially poor women, in the state, by reducing the number of ob-gyn specialists willing to practice in Ohio. Women may increasingly find it more difficult to obtain services for birth control, prenatal care, and other reproductive health services.
<<An abortion provider near Cleveland — a single mom who promised her teenage son he wouldn’t have to change schools again — is switching fields to become an addiction specialist....
“We’re all grappling with the question of, ‘At what point would I move?’” said Ashley Brant, an OB-GYN at an academic facility in Northwestern Ohio and a fellow with the nonprofit group Physicians for Reproductive Health. “What will be my personal line in the sand?..."
Health experts warn that this potential migration could be devastatingfor patients, leaving them without access to birth control, prenatal care and other reproductive health services. They also fear no provider will be left in some communities to perform emergency abortions in the life-threatening circumstances exempt from most state bans....
“If you see a fleeing of providers from states that have severely restricted their ability to practice in line with their moral compass and medical ethics, it will be a huge loss to public and community health,” said Jamila Perritt, an abortion provider in Washington, D.C., and the president and CEO of Physicians for Reproductive Health. “We don’t have to guess what’s going to happen. We already see the high rates of maternal mortality and morbidity in places like Louisiana and Mississippi. But we’ll see much more of that as these bans continue to sweep the country.”>>
Women who consider the quality of medical care, especially women of child-bearing age, will avoid Ohio as it transforms the quality of its healthcare for women from relatively stellar to on par with Louisiana and Mississippi. And women who live in Ohio must be careful where they travel within the state if the risk of need for emergency medical care is an issue.
Many existing Ohio reproductive care specialists perhaps are staying put now to see how the political pendulum swings in the state's November general elections, but with Republicans having aggressively gerrymandered Ohio and enacted new voter suppression laws, it seems unlikely that pro-choice advocates will gain sufficient legislative leverage to reverse Ohio's abortion restrictions. Perhaps Congress will be able to ban many of Ohio's abortion restrictions, pending allowance by the Supreme Court now captured by anti-abortionists, but that also appears a long shot.
So, post-November, the degradation of women's healthcare in Ohio may shift into high gear.
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Medical experts are not only worried about the immediate loss of health services in red states when bans take effect, but also the longer-term effects of a generation of OB-GYNs avoiding those states in the future.
“The people graduating medical school now, where will they be looking for residencies? Not in a state that doesn’t allow them to practice freely,” warned Tracey Wilkinson, an assistant professor of pediatrics at Indiana University School of Medicine and a board member at Physicians for Reproductive Health. “Anecdotally, we’re already hearing residents who are currently here say they do not want to stay in Indiana. We already have multiple counties without OB-GYN care, and this is going to have downstream effects.">>
Contrary to the laudatory praise of Indiana by an anti-abortion poster in this thread, Indiana already sounds like a hellhole for women seeking reproductive healthcare.
Another issue is whether Ohio medical schools and especially residency hospitals will even train ob-gyn specialists adequately in abortion procedures. Certainly, Ohio teaching hospitals no longer will be a desired location for the highest quality ob-gyn specialist candidates.
<< “But we’re concerned about a generation of doctors who are in training in those states not actually being trained on abortion.”>>
Do the majority of Ohioans really want to leave the 21st century and revert to a 1950s level of restrictive/available healthcare for women because of ideologues subverting the will of the people by corrupting our democracy? Will Ohio voters react in sufficient numbers to overcome Republican gerrymanders and voter suppression? We'll find out this November.
Contrary to the laudatory praise of Indiana by an anti-abortion poster in this thread, Indiana already sounds like a hellhole for women seeking reproductive healthcare.
If you're referring to me, my position isn't "anti-abortion."
The Politico article linked to above makes some some big extrapolations based on worries, conjectures and anecdotes.
Likewise, the lack of OBGYNs isn't new and it isn't peculiar to any state. Various articles point to the high cost of providing those services, the high cost of malpractice insurance, low Medicaid reimbursement rates, the docs being mostly women (who tend to work fewer hours), and the 24/7 schedule leading to burnout.
IMO it would be great to see all these baby killing OB-GYN's and their supporters leave the state. See ya!
A 10 year old girl was forced to have to travel out of the state of Ohio and go to Indiana get the help she needed to terminate the pregnancy and maybe save her life. It's very clear that people in favor of her having to leave Ohio to get the help she needs (not accusing you of thinking like this, just sharing information) are just cruel individuals that want to see a 10 year old girl suffer. They don't care if this 10 year old girl would have died, their too blinded by their political agenda. I hope the people that think 10 year old traumatized rape victims should not be allowed to terminate a pregnancy to save their own life get the help they need to see the error of their flawed logic.
I'm not pro-murdering babies.
I'm pro-Becky who found out at her 20-week anatomy scan that the infant she had been so excited to bring into this world had developed without life sustaining organs.
I'm pro-Susan who was sexually assaulted on her way home from work, only to come to the horrific realization that her assailant planted his seed in her when she got a positive pregnancy test result a month later.
I'm pro-Theresa who hemorrhaged due to a placental abruption, causing her parents, spouse, and children to have to make the impossible decision on whether to save her or her unborn child.
I'm pro-little Cathy who had her innocence ripped away from her by someone she should have been able to trust and her 11-year-old body isn't mature enough to bear the consequence of that betrayal.
I'm pro-Melissa who's working two jobs just to make ends meet and has to choose between bringing another child into poverty or feeding the children she already has because her spouse walked out on her.
I'm pro-Brittany who realizes that she is in no way financially, emotionally, or physically able to raise a child.
I'm pro-Emily who went through IVF, ending up with SIX viable implanted eggs requiring selective reduction to ensure the safety of her and a SAFE number of fetuses.
I'm pro-Jessica who is FINALLY getting the strength to get away from her physically abusive spouse only to find out that she is carrying the monster's child.
I'm pro-Vanessa who went into her confirmation appointment after YEARS of trying to conceive only to hear silence where there should be a heartbeat.
I'm pro-Lindsay who lost her virginity in her sophomore year with a broken condom and now has to choose whether to be a teenage mom or just a teenager.
I'm pro-Courtney who just found out she's already 13 weeks along, but the egg never made it out of her fallopian tube so either she terminates the pregnancy or risks dying from internal bleeding.
You can argue and say that I'm pro-choice all you want, but the truth is:
I'm pro-life.
Their lives.
Women's lives.
You don't get to pick and choose which scenarios should be accepted. It's not about which stories you don't agree with. It's about fighting for the women in the stories that you do agree with and the CHOICE that was made.
Women's rights are meant to protect ALL women, regardless of their situation!
I'm not pro-murdering babies.
I'm pro-Becky who found out at her 20-week anatomy scan that the infant she had been so excited to bring into this world had developed without life sustaining organs.
I'm pro-Susan who was sexually assaulted on her way home from work, only to come to the horrific realization that her assailant planted his seed in her when she got a positive pregnancy test result a month later.
I'm pro-Theresa who hemorrhaged due to a placental abruption, causing her parents, spouse, and children to have to make the impossible decision on whether to save her or her unborn child.
I'm pro-little Cathy who had her innocence ripped away from her by someone she should have been able to trust and her 11-year-old body isn't mature enough to bear the consequence of that betrayal.
I'm pro-Melissa who's working two jobs just to make ends meet and has to choose between bringing another child into poverty or feeding the children she already has because her spouse walked out on her.
I'm pro-Brittany who realizes that she is in no way financially, emotionally, or physically able to raise a child.
I'm pro-Emily who went through IVF, ending up with SIX viable implanted eggs requiring selective reduction to ensure the safety of her and a SAFE number of fetuses.
I'm pro-Jessica who is FINALLY getting the strength to get away from her physically abusive spouse only to find out that she is carrying the monster's child.
I'm pro-Vanessa who went into her confirmation appointment after YEARS of trying to conceive only to hear silence where there should be a heartbeat.
I'm pro-Lindsay who lost her virginity in her sophomore year with a broken condom and now has to choose whether to be a teenage mom or just a teenager.
I'm pro-Courtney who just found out she's already 13 weeks along, but the egg never made it out of her fallopian tube so either she terminates the pregnancy or risks dying from internal bleeding.
You can argue and say that I'm pro-choice all you want, but the truth is:
I'm pro-life.
Their lives.
Women's lives.
You don't get to pick and choose which scenarios should be accepted. It's not about which stories you don't agree with. It's about fighting for the women in the stories that you do agree with and the CHOICE that was made.
Women's rights are meant to protect ALL women, regardless of their situation!
State legislators can only propose what has a chance of passing. The "regardless of their situation" days are over in many parts of the country. It will be picking and choosing in those parts. The ones that won't move to certain states will be loud, but they won't be many.
It will be take what you can get, like the latest gun laws.
A 10 year old girl was forced to have to travel out of the state of Ohio and go to Indiana get the help she needed to terminate the pregnancy and maybe save her life. It's very clear that people in favor of her having to leave Ohio to get the help she needs (not accusing you of thinking like this, just sharing information) are just cruel individuals that want to see a 10 year old girl suffer. They don't care if this 10 year old girl would have died, their too blinded by their political agenda. I hope the people that think 10 year old traumatized rape victims should not be allowed to terminate a pregnancy to save their own life get the help they need to see the error of their flawed logic.
These people are extremists. They're not generally open to seeing the error in anything they believe.
Your statement is far too broad. I'm not standing up for all the decisions Republicans have made but there's a wide variety (spectrum, belief wise) of democrats out there. To say they all have America's best interests in mind is a bit short sighted. I don't want the government forcing me to take a vaccine I don't want in my body so I can understand women who don't want their healthcare decisions being usurped by the government. At the same time there are other decisions the democrats would gladly make for climate change that would impact the average American in a significant detrimental way. The dem's like to tote the idea of bodily autonomy... but then also support "big government" and making people reliant on the government. You can't have it both ways. If you're going to be reliant on the government then sooner or later they will make your healthcare decisions for you.
The obvious difference is that viruses are contagious and pregnancies are not, so vaccine mandates aren't a great comparison to forced births.
Climate change is going to effect everyone regardless of what your politics are. Some parts of the planet are already reaching the upper limits of human survivability just in terms of temperature alone. Last year, the PNW of all places had temperaturs so unprecedented, sea life was literally cooking on the beaches. And that's not even going into any related natural disasters, water and power scarcity, etc. You don't want to support Dems because you're worried climate action may affect your quality of life, but the thing is, your quality of life is already very much on the line if we do nothing. This is not an existential threat for future generations. It's here now, and it's getting worse faster than anyone's really predicted. No doubt you think this is all fearmongering, but just because it's scary doesn't make it any less true.
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Impact of abortion restrictions on healthcare quality for women
