Hippy rental hideout to be built by Mount Hood or the Gorge (Portland: apartment, condo)

[FullArmor]

Originally Posted by Charlie005

It's terrible that Oregon has such strict laws and enforcement. Right now I'm down by Cave Junction in Southern Oregon and I get the feeling it's a rare place that is pretty let loose. I can't believe you can't camp on your own land, even with wheels under you. That's incredible and extremely sad. I've got 50k to use but I'm a joke. Wow.

I find it interesting that you can't buy a piece of land in a rural area and do with it as you please. But in most cities, you can put a mobile home in a neighborhood with regular houses. Build apartments, townhomes and the like just about anywhere you can find a vacant lot. The city zoning laws in this state seem to be written by Sanford and Son, but rurally you have to abide by stricter rules?
I admit I don't know much about zoning laws, but where I live it seems like chaos is the general rule.

[texasdiver]

Originally Posted by FullArmor

I find it interesting that you can't buy a piece of land in a rural area and do with it as you please. But in most cities, you can put a mobile home in a neighborhood with regular houses. Build apartments, townhomes and the like just about anywhere you can find a vacant lot. The city zoning laws in this state seem to be written by Sanford and Son, but rurally you have to abide by stricter rules?
I admit I don't know much about zoning laws, but where I live it seems like chaos is the general rule.

Pretty much nothing about this statement is true. Yes you can drive around most cities and find derelict mobile homes and trashy apartments. But mostly they are old "grandfathered" structures from decades ago. There are no cities where today you can do any of the things you list without going through a long series of zoning and permit requirements.

[wolfdog]

Yep. Counties have Planning Departments and Planning Commissions.

[NoMoreSnowForMe]

You might want to look into renting camping spaces on AirBnB. When I lived in Crescent City, CA, I became aware of someone who had property out towards Gasquet, just outside of Crescent City, who rented camping spaces on AirBnB and he had quite a business going.

[Larry Caldwell]

Originally Posted by NoMoreSnowForMe

You might want to look into renting camping spaces on AirBnB. When I lived in Crescent City, CA, I became aware of someone who had property out towards Gasquet, just outside of Crescent City, who rented camping spaces on AirBnB and he had quite a business going.

How much did the septic system, well, power and driveways cost? I can't imagine being able to buy property and develop a campground for under $200k. Sanitary facilities alone would cost a bundle, and at a minimum you would need power to run the well pump.

Developing rural property is not cheap. Assuming you can find a buildable lot, it's going to cost over $100k, with another $50k to $100k to drill a well, bring in power, build a driveway, and install a septic system. That's why five acres with a shacky old mobile home costs over $200,000.

I have a friend who just listed a 5 acre, reasonably flat building lot with paved frontage outside Wolf Creek for $140,000, and she'll get it. I assume anything in the Gorge or on Mt. Hood would be even more expensive. The $50,000 was what I thought was funny. You can do anything if you throw enough money at it, but my off-the-wall guesstimate for that project would be around half a million.

[Metlakatla]

Originally Posted by FullArmor

I find it interesting that you can't buy a piece of land in a rural area and do with it as you please.

You can do exactly that in parts of Alaska -- no building codes in much of the unincorporated borough. It shows, too. If people can do anything they want on their own land, some of them invariably will. There are places within a mile from my home that look like Third World slums.

[NoMoreSnowForMe]

Originally Posted by Larry Caldwell

How much did the septic system, well, power and driveways cost? I can't imagine being able to buy property and develop a campground for under $200k. Sanitary facilities alone would cost a bundle, and at a minimum you would need power to run the well pump.

Developing rural property is not cheap. Assuming you can find a buildable lot, it's going to cost over $100k, with another $50k to $100k to drill a well, bring in power, build a driveway, and install a septic system. That's why five acres with a shacky old mobile home costs over $200,000.

I have a friend who just listed a 5 acre, reasonably flat building lot with paved frontage outside Wolf Creek for $140,000, and she'll get it. I assume anything in the Gorge or on Mt. Hood would be even more expensive. The $50,000 was what I thought was funny. You can do anything if you throw enough money at it, but my off-the-wall guesstimate for that project would be around half a million.

This is not a developed campground. Off grid, outhouse, solar outdoor shower. I found their ad:

https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/2636707...tes&s=VjbruIER

Check out other campsites listed on AirBnB. Some people even put a big tent in their driveway and fill it with a bed and furniture and call it glamping.

No need for anything fancy. And apparently, if you build it they will come.

[Metlakatla]

Depends on where you build it. You can't just buy property and throw up a substandard campground on it in most places, and many areas don't allow driveway camping. What an awful thing to do to your neighbors, renting out a tent in your driveway to who knows who from the internet.

AirbnB has gotten out of control with its illegal listings.

[NoMoreSnowForMe]

Originally Posted by Metlakatla

Depends on where you build it. You can't just buy property and throw up a substandard campground on it in most places, and many areas don't allow driveway camping. What an awful thing to do to your neighbors, renting out a tent in your driveway to who knows who from the internet.

AirbnB has gotten out of control with its illegal listings.

Yeah, I wonder how many cities/counties have started checking AirBnB listings to bust people.

[Metlakatla]

Originally Posted by NoMoreSnowForMe

Yeah, I wonder how many cities/counties have started checking AirBnB listings to bust people.

Apparently, lots of them are, all over this country and others. Smart property owners are backing away from AirbnBs these days unless they can completely comply with local regs. It's not only city/community officials "checking listings," but neighbors who are sick and tired of constant traffic and noise.

I'd have Code Enforcement over so fast if I saw a tent full of temporary renters in any of my neighbor's driveways or backyards.


https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/23/unwe...m-rentals.html

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...rnment-illegal

https://www.citylab.com/life/2018/03...on-law/556397/