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Oh, they do! And much better than in apostate public school.
Not necessarily. In some schools they do, but in others they do not. And, we don't get any good data because they are not required to test, so they don't do it. Or when they do test, they will not release the test scores. If they were up to par, why would they not show us up?
Now, I grant that private schools often have smaller classes. They also can and do expel students with behavior problems. Btw, I had some of those kids in the public high school where I taught. They didn't do well at our school either. Some also are selective in terms of entering the school. These schools also insist on parent participation which is the prime factor in educational success for the students. Schools like this will do a good job of educating kids. OTOH, there are plenty of private schools that are total scams in terms of education.
The private voucher schools in DC, for example, were no more successful with the kids who took the vouchers than the public schools were.
Studies by the Institute for Education Sciences found no difference in math or reading scores between voucher students and public school students in 2007 and no difference in math or reading scores between the groups in 2008. In 2009, there was no difference in math scores at all between voucher students and public school students, and while there was a positive difference in reading scores for voucher students, the positive difference was only for voucher students who hadn’t come from underperforming schools. There was no difference between students coming from underperforming public schools and those who stayed there. There was also no improvement shown by underperforming students who used the program. In short, there were no effects of the program at all in two out of three years, and improvement was shown in only one year, in only one subject area, and only for already well-performing kids coming from already well-performing schools.
You do realize you are linking to a borderline socialist opinion website (see below) regarding a conservative topic. I wouldn't go around assuming this as proof positive for your position.
"Here at Irregular Times, we often give harsh criticisms of the failure of supposedly progressive members of Congress to stand up against Republican efforts to create a regressive, corporate-controlled economy that serves the interests of the extremely wealthy and exploits the rest of us. A few tough liberal voices remain on Capitol Hill, however. One of those voices comes from Senator Bernard Sanders."
You do realize you are linking to a borderline socialist opinion website (see below) regarding a conservative topic. I wouldn't go around assuming this as proof positive for your position.
"Here at Irregular Times, we often give harsh criticisms of the failure of supposedly progressive members of Congress to stand up against Republican efforts to create a regressive, corporate-controlled economy that serves the interests of the extremely wealthy and exploits the rest of us. A few tough liberal voices remain on Capitol Hill, however. One of those voices comes from Senator Bernard Sanders."
The fact is that vouchers have failed in most situations.
Summarizing a comparison of how matched groups of voucher and MPS students did across two years of tests, the researchers wrote:
"The primary finding in all of these comparisons is that there is no overall statistically significant difference between MPCP (voucher) and MPS student achievement growth in either math or reading one year after they were carefully matched to each other."
A second study, which looked at broader, but not scientifically matched groups of MPS and voucher students, found that the percentages of fourth-graders in voucher schools who met the state's definition of proficiency in reading and math were lower than percentages for low-income MPS fourth-graders. For eighth-graders, the proficiency rates were about the same.
On the other hand, one of the studies being released uses a formula that factors in the number of school choices available to MPS students to conclude that, by a small margin, MPS results are better now than they otherwise would be because of the presence of voucher schools
They do say the cost of the voucher schools are less, but we are subsidizing that.
Also, while parents love the program, it does not appear to benefit the lowest performing children. Parental involvement is key not the private schools.
As I said before, private schools can and do expel children with behavior problems. If you allowed the public schools to do the same, the results in public schools would probably be comparable to private schools.
They do say the cost of the voucher schools are less, but we are subsidizing that.
Also, while parents love the program, it does not appear to benefit the lowest performing children. Parental involvement is key not the private schools.
As I said before, private schools can and do expel children with behavior problems. If you allowed the public schools to do the same, the results in public schools would probably be comparable to private schools.
actually there are a lot conflicting reports.
I remember when I was in school (public) several students were expelled. That, I guess, has changed somewhat. In my town there is a small school where kids on long term suspension go. I don't think this is a unique set up.
Parental involvement is key, but from what I've seen unless your kid is on a sports team the school doesn't really give a rip (experience from 4 school systems in 4 states).
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