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AFAIC a kid will learn NOT to squeal when they understand that doing so IN A RESTAURANT results in the end of the meal. That is one good reason to use cheap places as training grounds. It is standard behavior / natural consequence stuff. And little kids LIKE restaurants. They are motivated to learn.
I'm glad you do the right thing.
These cards aren't for or even aimed at good parents who have raised children who behave.
It's like if your job sends out a company wide email chastising those who've been late frequently and you freak out about it even though you've never been late.
If you're not a problem, it's not directed at you, why get so upset?
These cards aren't for or even aimed at good parents who have raised children who behave.
It's like if your job sends out a company wide email chastising those who've been late frequently and you freak out about it even though you've never been late.
If you're not a problem, it's not directed at you, why get so upset?
i almost got my family thrown out of a Denny's in the 80s when I was quietly singing silent night to myself and a grouchy waitress got her panties in a wad. Kids are the same. And grouchy people are the same too
These cards aren't for or even aimed at good parents who have raised children who behave.
It's like if your job sends out a company wide email chastising those who've been late frequently and you freak out about it even though you've never been late.
If you're not a problem, it's not directed at you, why get so upset?
I'm not upset. Just venturing an opinion. What I don't get is do these parents themselves LIKE having screechy kids? AFAIC the education is in investment also in all of MY future pleasant meals. And theirs.
These cards aren't for or even aimed at good parents who have raised children who behave.
It's like if your job sends out a company wide email chastising those who've been late frequently and you freak out about it even though you've never been late.
If you're not a problem, it's not directed at you, why get so upset?
You know what I think it winds up being for? Advanced notice in support of being able to escort unruly patrons from the place. And I am ok with that.
Those are not family restaurants. Yes, children are allowed, but the cost of the meal is pretty high to have to endure a parent's little training session.
You're joking right? Not only are those restaurants the epitome of cheap family dining they have kids menus.
I think a good rule of thumb is if a restaurant has a dedicated kids menu, patrons should expect familys to be dining there.
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It seems like every other day one of these threads pop up. It brings out the I hate children, only my experience counts, let's forget adults in public are MUCH worse crowd. When did this children should only go to crappy places because GASP they might infringe on my enjoyment for a minute mentality set in? I grew up in the seventies and kids were behaved exactly as they are now. It's the adults looking at the past with rose coloured glasses that have changed. People were more tolerant then, less judgmental, children have always been children.
I have had to leave places with my children because of adults. Because of loud drunks, loud conversations, cussing,etc. I have had an older couple give me dirty looks for letting my then two year old sit on my lap at an IHOP. He wasn't loud, he asked, I said yes but somehow it ruined their day. I have had another older couple give us dirty looks before we even sat down. I had to pull a drunk woman off of my then eight year old because "look how cute he is". This at a "family" restaurant. Do I think all older adults should be banned or handed a set of rules? No because a few bad apples occur in every group.
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^^This. I can remember many a time going out to eat with my family and encountering large groups of adults behaving badly.
Re: bolds-
Not when they're drunk! IME, the only thing that quiets them down is the arrival of the food, and even then, that's just for 20 min or so until the food is eaten and the drinking starts again. Mind you, I am not a teetotaler!
Recently, we were at a restaurant with our daughter and her fiance, at a place where young adults like to go. There was a table near us that was being VERY disruptive (and drunk, I think). Without even being asked, the waitress moved us, and she said that table had been asked twice to settle down.
Frankly, kids' behavior can be unpredictable. They can behave perfectly 99 times and then melt down on trip 100. I'm all for taking a totally disruptive kid out, but you can't predict what will happen in advance.
I dislike unruly adults just as much. And I have no problem asking to speak with management or leaving. A few moths ago I took my grandma out to dinner and the table next to us was playing a soccer game on their cell phone with the volume all the way up. It was beyond rude, so I told the manager.
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You know what I think it winds up being for? Advanced notice in support of being able to escort unruly patrons from the place. And I am ok with that.
Exactly! In all of the above situations of adults behaving poorly other patrons can complain to management and management has the right to tell them to act right or get out.
The problem is when management tries to tell parents to quiet their kids or to leave because of their poorly behaving children. The parents then go home and write a Facebook post about how terrible the restaurant is and they discriminate against parents. And then it goes viral, and the local news picks it up and on and on it goes.
So funny all these defensive people trying to talk about "adults misbehaving." Seems like the main complaint is "drunkenness."
There's a cure for that: don't patronize restraints with a bar or sit very far from it. There is no cure for brats. It is not something you can usually plan to avoid. But there is a reason I don't go to Chuck E Cheese.
People talking loudly on their phones? Please. Why is it different if they are on their phones or just talking to their dining partner? We all have different decimal sensitivities.
Mine is pretty low so I don't like louder patrons either but they are NOTHING compared to that *SCREEEEETCH!* that only children and severely developmentally disabled emit.
The difference is, having been a caretakers for the developmentally disabled, caretakers will high-tail it out of there if there is "acting out." Even in a KFC because we know that 1. It is not fair to other diners and 2. We know that basic behavior modification (aka what some call "parenting") is only encouragement to keep doing it if they want to stay in the restaurant (reward) but are acting up (behavior.)
The one exception to this might be when loud noises 24/7 are part of their severe disability (VERY UNCOMMON BTW.) Even then, caretaking staff would patronize the cheapest restaurants possibly *if any.*
So funny all these defensive people trying to talk about "adults misbehaving." Seems like the main complaint is "drunkenness."
There's a cure for that: don't patronize restraints with a bar or sit very far from it. There is no cure for brats. It is not something you can usually plan to avoid. But there is a reason I don't go to Chuck E Cheese.
People talking loudly on their phones? Please. Why is it different if they are on their phones or just talking to their dining partner? We all have different decimal sensitivities.
Mine is pretty low so I don't like louder patrons either but they are NOTHING compared to that *SCREEEEETCH!* that only children and severely developmentally disabled emit.
The difference is, having been a caretakers for the developmentally disabled, caretakers will high-tail it out of there if there is "acting out." Even in a KFC because we know that 1. It is not fair to other diners and 2. We know that basic behavior modification (aka what some call "parenting") is only encouragement to keep doing it if they want to stay in the restaurant (reward) but are acting up (behavior.)
The one exception to this might be when loud noises 24/7 are part of their severe disability (VERY UNCOMMON BTW.) Even then, caretaking staff would patronize the cheapest restaurants possibly *if any.*
Entitled parents are the problem, not the kids.
Pffft! I'm not talking about going to a "Bar and Grill"; I'm talking about regular restaurants that serve alcohol at the table. I've been to restaurants where some adult is having a birthday (as evidenced by the table singing "happy birthday" to one of the group). They're loud, yada, yada. The last incident which I described above was at a "hipster" restaurant. In case you didn't read my post for comprehension, I said the waitress offered to move us w/o us even asking and said that the table had been asked a couple of times to quiet down. To say they were loud is an understatement; I've never heard a kid that loud, and I've worked in pediatrics, and given shots to kids.
These cards are insulting as they assume the kids are going to misbehave.
Wild behavior by kids is unacceptable no matter where you go. If your kids are acting like fools leave them home. Nobody wants to deal with unruly kids if the parents are just going to sit there and be oblivious. I have a right to eat my meal in peace.
To some people those may be a big night out- we shouldn't judge them for it. I do think that perhaps in these places you may find kids more prevalent and have to deal with that- but while kids may be a bit loud or boisterous it's no excuse to let them run wild and ruin others meals...if they can' handle sit down restaurant, then it's time to walk....that's also why we go out @ 5PM or earlier with the little one, in case our angel loses it, I don't want to ruin other people's night.
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There is no cure for brats. It is not something you can usually plan to avoid. But there is a reason I don't go to Chuck E Cheese. 
Why is it different if they are on their phones or just talking to their dining partner? We all have different decimal sensitivities. 
