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Old 04-25-2012, 02:07 AM
 
Location: None of your business
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Yes, and we are each to be pitied by others who have more than we. The thing is that most people aspire for more, it's human nature, so we tend to keep our eyes on those more fortunate.

We often have to be reminded to look back, at folks who were stuck in the mire that limited us at one time. We also have ideas on what keeps them there and what to do to get out.
Look back and appreciate, yes of course, but after I worked and used my brain to get out (somewhat anyway) and without help, don't keep trying to drag me back there!
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Old 04-26-2012, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Earth Wanderer, longing for the stars.
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Look back and appreciate, yes of course, but after I worked and used my brain to get out (somewhat anyway) and without help, don't keep trying to drag me back there!
Some charity messages on tv strike me that way, as though they are forcing me to think about becoming ill myself.

It all starts with a thought that you hold on to. Many/most who are both rich and poor got that way by their thinking.

Kids who forgo being out with friends because they have homework or a test the next day, young people who try to ensure that their majors in college are needed by the job market, young people who put off having a family until they can afford one, people who are willing to move to where the work is, people who are willing to change companies, or vocations once they hit a dead end, people who don't live above their means.

Yes, often, in order to do well in life financially, you must be willing to put everything else in your life, including what 'makes it worthwhile', onto the side burner.
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Old 04-26-2012, 02:44 PM
 
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Some charity messages on tv strike me that way, as though they are forcing me to think about becoming ill myself.

It all starts with a thought that you hold on to. Many/most who are both rich and poor got that way by their thinking.

Kids who forgo being out with friends because they have homework or a test the next day, young people who try to ensure that their majors in college are needed by the job market, young people who put off having a family until they can afford one, people who are willing to move to where the work is, people who are willing to change companies, or vocations once they hit a dead end, people who don't live above their means.

Yes, often, in order to do well in life financially, you must be willing to put everything else in your life, including what 'makes it worthwhile', onto the side burner.
With the current thinking, the kids should forget about their studies and be with their friends. Why try to do well for theirselves? So they can support the ones who didn't even try.

You are either the people who support a bunch of strangers or be supported. Go have fun. You will all be in the same financial place anyway.

First drain the middle class (done)
Then drain the upper middle class and rich (doing it now)
After that is complete and no company can survive and no jobs to be had, maybe we can look to the freeloaders to support us. After all, they will probably have the best lifestyle and own it all -FOR FREE

I know a lot of working poor and they can't get a dime of assistance so where IS all this money going?

I wonder, at that point would they say, I have to give some back and help take care of them or would they demand more

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Old 04-26-2012, 03:02 PM
 
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I know a lot of working poor who can't get a dime of assistance, they can use the help and are struggling (they don't eve have the latest toys like the poor do) so WHERE is this money going now and since we now have class warfare so we can get everyone fired up to vote for more tax, Where will it go then. Certainly not to help the people who try but just need a little help to get back on their feet again so they can support themselves.

And now they are talking about double taxation on retirement savings. So why does anyone bother. Spend it like there is no tomorrow because if you don't someone will.
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Old 04-26-2012, 05:14 PM
 
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With the current thinking, the kids should forget about their studies and be with their friends. Why try to do well for theirselves? So they can support the ones who didn't even try.

You are either the people who support a bunch of strangers or be supported. Go have fun. You will all be in the same financial place anyway.

First drain the middle class (done)
Then drain the upper middle class and rich (doing it now)
After that is complete and no company can survive and no jobs to be had, maybe we can look to the freeloaders to support us. After all, they will probably have the best lifestyle and own it all -FOR FREE

I know a lot of working poor and they can't get a dime of assistance so where IS all this money going?

I wonder, at that point would they say, I have to give some back and help take care of them or would they demand more
There are still many rewards for the intelligent and persevering who prepare themselves and have just a bit of luck.

Negative attitudes are for losers. They guarantee bad outcomes, don't they? I don't think you would rear young children and fill their minds with ideas that will doom them to low lives.

There are some things that you can control and some that you cannot. Keep your attention on the things that you CAN do to better yourself. If you are consistent and unwavering, doors will open that perhaps you never recognized. Life can be that way.
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Old 04-28-2012, 08:51 AM
 
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"Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen pounds nineteen and six, result happiness.
Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery." -Micawber

This works only as long as you are able to earn that income. What happens when you can no longer earn income? Misery ensues rapidly, right?
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Old 10-16-2012, 08:41 AM
 
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Well, CRY ME A RIVER! I have no sympathy for these people making $350K a year, who can't live within their means. I have a Master's degree in Architecture, and I'm working as an assistant manager trainee at a retail store, because my career was decimated in the housing collapse that these wall-street types probably had a hand in creating! I make a $26K a year salary, work 45+ hours a week, and I'm damn glad just to be employed right now!
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Old 10-16-2012, 12:41 PM
 
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+1 well said

When there are people in Africa starving this man wants to complain about his $350k income? I can't imagine anything more egregious!
This is the typical response from someone who's never had money or at least 1% money.....

Heck, take the illegal immigrant washing dishes in NYC for $5/hour and that looks like a fortune to people starving in Africa. It's all relative.
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Old 10-16-2012, 12:49 PM
 
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Nobody MAKES you have kids. Kids are super expensive, you have them at the very grave risk of that choice ruining your chances of retirement/enjoying this life. There is no reason for a rich person to have any debts at all, and if he does, it's because he's stupid. First you pile up enough $ to live comfortably on for the rest of your life (investment return and principle being used up, say age 100) and THEN you can blow any additional monies on whatever.

"Living comfortably" is sort of like art, it's in the eye of the beholder.
What may be comfortable to you probably isn't comfortable to Tom Hanks.
Just because you don't think something is financially necessary because it fits YOUR perception doesn't mean someone else is entitled to feel a different way, especially if they can afford it.
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