"freedom to do whatever you want" vs "freedom to not suffer from other people's actions"

[buenos]

Originally Posted by mordant

What two sides? And what relativity principle? Google "relativity principle" and you get a discussion of physics and how Maxwell equations are the same in all inertial frames of reference.
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This is what I meant by relativity, or relativism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_relativism
Basically a nation rejecting their own core values and roll over to anyone.

[Frogburn]

Originally Posted by buenos

Typically when people say this is (the US) a free country they mean they can do whatever they want and the government cannot put them away for it.

This first premise is wrong.

There are too many laws on the books. Not all violations mandate jail time though.

[Matadora]

Originally Posted by ukrkoz

That is not freedom. That is neanderthal behavior in civilized society. Ego is unleashed and cares only about satisfying it's senses, no matter what they are.
True freedom is coming from highest level of self consciousness. Such a person has none of ego wishes and puts - naturally - welfare of others ahead of his own benefit. That person does not need artificial freedom ensured by government, a fake. That person is self governed and, in that respect, ultimately free.

[Aleister Crowley]

Originally Posted by ukrkoz

That is not freedom. That is neanderthal behavior in civilized society. Ego is unleashed and cares only about satisfying it's senses, no matter what they are.
True freedom is coming from highest level of self consciousness. Such a person has none of ego wishes and puts - naturally - welfare of others ahead of his own benefit. That person does not need artificial freedom ensured by government, a fake. That person is self governed and, in that respect, ultimately free.

What you are speaking of is being a selfless individual who has altruistic qualities and attributes. The ethos of an idealist who believes they are their own master, self created and possessing an awareness of self to such a degree that no god or country can hold them hostage.

Often times these individuals are the best leaders to lead people into war.