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Old 03-03-2019, 11:33 PM
 
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Truth exists, truth is knowable, and truth matters. Otherwise, philosophy is pointless.
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Old 03-04-2019, 01:58 AM
 
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Truth exceeds the capacity of language to describe it,
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Old 03-04-2019, 02:01 AM
 
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Truth could be subjective - meaning that it is true for the person/s making the judgment, even though it may not be true for others. What we perceive as truth is mostly our interpretation and experience of it.
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Old 03-04-2019, 07:22 AM
 
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What is a local truth may not be a global truth, in the vast continuum of existence. And we actually have no exact knowledge of how many dimensions with which we are dealing. But I do agree that Truth has created us and we react accordingly.
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Old 03-04-2019, 12:31 PM
 
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Truth could be subjective - meaning that it is true for the person/s making the judgment, even though it may not be true for others.
Could be subjective?

That would seem to be an important thing to know. I would expect philosophy to have some insights into the question.

Give me an example of something that is true for the person making the judgment, but not true for others. It's important to be careful here. The man who says "the sky is blue" isn't normally making a universal truth claim: he means that he perceives the sky to be blue at that time. But the carpenter who says "I have built a round table" is saying more than that: he means his table is objectively round, no matter how anyone perceives it, everywhere it goes, all the time. He's making a universal truth claim that isn't merely a personal truth, but is true for everyone.

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What we perceive as truth is mostly our interpretation and experience of it.
Sure, but our interpretations and experiences are for the purpose of understanding truth, or they are pointless.
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Old 03-04-2019, 03:21 PM
 
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Truth exceeds the capacity of language to describe it,
Then what is language for?
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Old 03-04-2019, 03:22 PM
 
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What is a local truth may not be a global truth, in the vast continuum of existence.
What does this even mean? Can you give me an example?
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Old 03-04-2019, 05:38 PM
 
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Then what is language for?
At its roots, to convey subjectivity -- "I am not dangerous", etc. Gradually expanded to pass on useful objectivity, "Dom't eat those", In some languages (not Indo-European ones), a grammar evolved in which the verb form indicated the speaker's confidence in the truth of an objective statement, which would be very useful. But our language fails to completely and adequately describe an objective observation, leaving out that subtext.
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Old 03-04-2019, 09:18 PM
 
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At its roots, to convey subjectivity -- "I am not dangerous", etc.
But the message is intended to communicate objectivity to the receiver - truth. What is subjective about it? Either the man is dangerous or he isn't. The particular circumstances are implied. They don't make the statement subjective.

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But our language fails to completely and adequately describe an objective observation, leaving out that subtext.
Language describes what it describes. If I say "we are communicating with language", as we most definitely are, what is inadequate about that?
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Old 03-05-2019, 12:18 AM
 
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But the message is intended to communicate objectivity to the receiver - truth. What is subjective about it? Either the man is dangerous or he isn't. The particular circumstances are implied. They don't make the statement subjective.



Language describes what it describes. If I say "we are communicating with language", as we most definitely are, what is inadequate about that?
I was asked what is language for, and I answered, that language originated to convey subjective, and usefully evolved as needed to convey objectives, too. This development is not fully carried out to its ideal conclusion, and modern languages strike a balance between practical simplicity on the one hand and detailed precision on the other. Hence the weight of law books which try (and fail) to draw sharp lines.

Every word's margin gets fuzzy on high magnification, like a fractal in a Mandelbrot set, so language becomes decreasingly useful to define the "truth"..

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