Port Authority Ridership increased nearly 2% in 2018.

[eschaton]

Originally Posted by Marv95

Towards the airport in Moon and Robinson for starters. Those warehouses, retail, small manufacturers and the corps out there off Campbells Run yet bus service there is abysmal. The 28x skips that area so what else you got? The 29 I guess?

The problem with servicing those areas is the ridership levels would be so low that the Port Authority would lose additional money by adding more dedicated lines. And where would the lines come from? Undoubtedly the people who work in that area travel from all over the place after all.

I do think that as the city's satellite business districts - like South Side Works, Bakery Square, and especially the Strip District - get more built up the Port Authority is going to have to find a way to have direct transit routes from more areas. Maybe the Downtown to Oakland BRT could eventually be expanded into a full on loop system which cycles between each of the major nodes?

[Paul2421]

Originally Posted by eschaton

The problem with servicing those areas is the ridership levels would be so low that the Port Authority would lose additional money by adding more dedicated lines. And where would the lines come from? Undoubtedly the people who work in that area travel from all over the place after all.

I do think that as the city's satellite business districts - like South Side Works, Bakery Square, and especially the Strip District - get more built up the Port Authority is going to have to find a way to have direct transit routes from more areas. Maybe the Downtown to Oakland BRT could eventually be expanded into a full on loop system which cycles between each of the major nodes?

are the strip district tenants demanding bus service? i wouldn't be surprised if one of the reasons they chose the strip is lack of full bus service.

[eschaton]

Originally Posted by Paul2421

are the strip district tenants demanding bus service? i wouldn't be surprised if one of the reasons they chose the strip is lack of full bus service.

Huh? I'm not even sure what this means. Why would bus service be a detriment to businesses? Too many of the riffraff getting off the bus and wandering around stinking up the joint?

The Strip is actually pretty easy to get to via bus from most part of the Upper East End (Lawrenceville, Bloomfield, Garfield, Friendship, East Liberty, etc) which is where the yuppie set is mostly settling anyway these days. And of course a lot of people are renting in the Strip and walking to work. Or use the bike lanes.

My understanding is the Strip is popular with Tech, while downtown is not, because the more spread-out aspect of it means you can have offices with an R&D/engineering development complete with loading docks, whereas downtown you'll just be limited to straight-up office space.

Anyway, part of the reason residential real estate is rapidly escalating in the East End, but it's a more flat market elsewhere is because the East End is convenient to all these secondary nodes (including Oakland) whereas the rest of the city (barring those places the 54 touches) really isn't that convenient unless you work Downtown.

[Paul2421]

Originally Posted by eschaton

Huh? I'm not even sure what this means. Why would bus service be a detriment to businesses? Too many of the riffraff getting off the bus and wandering around stinking up the joint?

The Strip is actually pretty easy to get to via bus from most part of the Upper East End (Lawrenceville, Bloomfield, Garfield, Friendship, East Liberty, etc) which is where the yuppie set is mostly settling anyway these days. And of course a lot of people are renting in the Strip and walking to work. Or use the bike lanes.

My understanding is the Strip is popular with Tech, while downtown is not, because the more spread-out aspect of it means you can have offices with an R&D/engineering development complete with loading docks, whereas downtown you'll just be limited to straight-up office space.

Anyway, part of the reason residential real estate is rapidly escalating in the East End, but it's a more flat market elsewhere is because the East End is convenient to all these secondary nodes (including Oakland) whereas the rest of the city (barring those places the 54 touches) really isn't that convenient unless you work Downtown.

haha more of a cynical idea but law firms, etc. tend to have that idea. the big wigs get their parking lots. the tech aspect makes sense though.

i would guess the universities and bakery square are driving more of the east end growth but that probably plays a factor as well.

[eschaton]

Originally Posted by Paul2421

haha more of a cynical idea but law firms, etc. tend to have that idea. the big wigs get their parking lots. the tech aspect makes sense though.

i would guess the universities and bakery square are driving more of the east end growth but that probably plays a factor as well.

All of the East End office growth is tech. Law firms and banks are sticking to downtown.

Universities play a big role of course, but remember that a fair amount of the office space is either being occupied by the universities and hospitals or by firms working closely with them. And Bakery Square is of course (mostly) a big effin office park.

[xdv8]

Originally Posted by eschaton

And Bakery Square is of course (mostly) a big effin office park.

One with apartments, retail, and historic buildings in an urban setting. Which actually sounds nothing like an "office park".

[eschaton]

Originally Posted by xdv8

One with apartments, retail, and historic buildings in an urban setting. Which actually sounds nothing like an "office park".

My point was I said the office construction being focused on the East End is part of why the residential RE market is going nuts. Then he said "I think it's more due to___Bakery Square" which is, you know, a major office node in the East End.