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Old 06-27-2010, 08:08 AM
 
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...........wanted it, but did not institute it. All those manufacturing jobs lost. Meanwhile, Bill Clinton sits next to Mick Jagger at the World Cup soccer match, immune to the ruinous policies he implemented and made a wealthy man.

I voted for Perot as well. Remember how both parties presented him as an idiot because he was not polished in the art of lying? It shows how difficult the path to the presidency is for an ethical man.

Perot, in retrospect, has made both parties look like idiots. He knew what was coming and the nation ignored him. I loved it when his VP (Admiral Stockdale) turned off his hearing aid during the VP debate, as he couldn't stand hearing all the BS.
Well Perot's company outsourced many jobs also. Many to India and Mexico.
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Old 06-27-2010, 08:10 AM
 
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I thought Obama was going to see that companies stopped outsourcing. Why is it no longer a problem with the left when it was such a huuuuuge issue during this run for the white house? No more Whirlpool for me.
No. He said that to the voters in Ohio but his campaign managers quickly reminded the globalist masters he only said that to get votes.

Obama is every bit the globalist puppet as were Clinton and Bush.

No matter how poor the American economy, no matter how desperate the unemployment, this government is doing whatever it can to get more jobs exported and to keep immigration uncontrolled and very massive.

The cheap labor lobby controls the government. Not the American people.
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Old 06-27-2010, 08:14 AM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
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Thank you, Bill Clinton.

Repeal NAFTA
Why blame Clinton? NAFTA was a Reagan/Bush/Republican baby.

North American Free Trade Agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1991 between the three nations, the leaders met in San Antonio, Texas, on December 17, 1992, to sign NAFTA. U.S. President George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed it. The agreement then needed to be ratified by each nation's legislative or parliamentary branch.

In the U.S., Bush, who had worked to "fast track" the signing prior to the end of his term, ran out of time and had to pass the required ratification and signing into law to incoming president Bill Clinton. Prior to sending it to the House of Representatives, Clinton introduced clauses to protect American workers and allay the concerns of many House members. It also required U.S. partners to adhere to environmental practices and regulations similar to its own. The ability to enforce these clauses, especially with Mexico, and with much consideration and emotional discussion the House of Representatives approved NAFTA on November 17, 1993, by a vote of 234 to 200. The agreement's supporters included 132 Republicans and 102 Democrats. NAFTA passed the Senate 61-38. Clinton signed it into law on December 8, 1993; it went into effect on January 1, 1994.[2][3]
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Old 06-27-2010, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Why blame Clinton? NAFTA was a Reagan/Bush/Republican baby.

North American Free Trade Agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1991 between the three nations, the leaders met in San Antonio, Texas, on December 17, 1992, to sign NAFTA. U.S. President George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed it. The agreement then needed to be ratified by each nation's legislative or parliamentary branch.

In the U.S., Bush, who had worked to "fast track" the signing prior to the end of his term, ran out of time and had to pass the required ratification and signing into law to incoming president Bill Clinton. Prior to sending it to the House of Representatives, Clinton introduced clauses to protect American workers and allay the concerns of many House members. It also required U.S. partners to adhere to environmental practices and regulations similar to its own. The ability to enforce these clauses, especially with Mexico, and with much consideration and emotional discussion the House of Representatives approved NAFTA on November 17, 1993, by a vote of 234 to 200. The agreement's supporters included 132 Republicans and 102 Democrats. NAFTA passed the Senate 61-38. Clinton signed it into law on December 8, 1993; it went into effect on January 1, 1994.[2][3]
Because, until Clinton signed it, it was not a law. While a Republican idea, it was a Democrat that "made it law".

Do you see that the parties are really not that different ? They both are advancing the same agenda.
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Old 06-27-2010, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Earth
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Where will Americans buy their refrigerator/freezers? If I recall, Whirlpool's business model was tied directly to Sears who basically has bit the dust.

There's not many American made refrigerators left that is affordable, so placing a tax on imports will only hurt the America public when it has to pay a higher price.

Reckon how much of the decision to move was influenced by a combination of government mandates and union pressure for more, more, more, of everything?
Yeah, corporate greed played no part in the decision, did it?
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Old 06-27-2010, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Earth
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I see fridges at Home Depot for 2 grand or more, just incredible. Aside from cooking your turkey for you, what makes these fridges cost so much? I got a perfectly suitable one for mid-600 bucks.
You cook a turkey in a refrigerator?
How's that work?
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Old 06-27-2010, 11:10 AM
 
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Yeah, corporate greed played no part in the decision, did it?
I wouldn't know whether "corporate greed" played a part or not, and apparently you don't either or you would have linked a source. Since the stock is traded on the open market, I'm certain that the decision to move was made to affect the bottom line for the stockholders. Now if that is "corporate greed", or satisfying stockholders is your to debate.


It makes no difference anyway, the deal's done and America lost a valuable asset which provided jobs for Americans. It was a lose-lose situation for Americans at every level.
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Old 06-27-2010, 08:15 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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Wow. First you showcase yourself in other posts as a staunch opponent of evil "socialist" government intrusion into private enterprise, and now you come crying to Big Government to intervene in the markets and do things your way? How cute and funny.
To make it clear for you. I do not want the Government running our businesses at all. But, I expect them to step in when the American people are getting screwed by allowing companies to leave the country and bring their products back in at the same price after dumping our workers.

Think!

I do not want them running our lives but with 9 million lost jobs since team Obama we need to STOP companies from leaving by either penalizing them heavily for leaving or give them breaks to keep them here and American people working.

The only way America survives the next 10 years is if we MAKE the product we consume. We need to go back to what worked during the Industrial growth in America.

Unions of course killed our industry and we need to do many things to get us back to what worked.

We need jobs, manufacturing jobs or this country will continue down the road to exactly where Obama wants us to go. Rely on the government for everything.

Nice try, but you need to think it through.

As a very successful business owner I know what I am talking about. I grew a business into a huge one by making products people needed in America and hiring American people at fair wages. Retired at 40 so I must have done something right.

I now own several other small businesses I run from home.

Have you ever owned or ran a business?
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Old 06-27-2010, 08:21 PM
 
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Why blame Clinton? NAFTA was a Reagan/Bush/Republican baby.

North American Free Trade Agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1991 between the three nations, the leaders met in San Antonio, Texas, on December 17, 1992, to sign NAFTA. U.S. President George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed it. The agreement then needed to be ratified by each nation's legislative or parliamentary branch.

In the U.S., Bush, who had worked to "fast track" the signing prior to the end of his term, ran out of time and had to pass the required ratification and signing into law to incoming president Bill Clinton. Prior to sending it to the House of Representatives, Clinton introduced clauses to protect American workers and allay the concerns of many House members. It also required U.S. partners to adhere to environmental practices and regulations similar to its own. The ability to enforce these clauses, especially with Mexico, and with much consideration and emotional discussion the House of Representatives approved NAFTA on November 17, 1993, by a vote of 234 to 200. The agreement's supporters included 132 Republicans and 102 Democrats. NAFTA passed the Senate 61-38. Clinton signed it into law on December 8, 1993; it went into effect on January 1, 1994.[2][3]

Ummmmmmmmmm................................ Bill Clinton approved NAFTA. Bush may have wanted it, but the approval came under the Clinton administration. It is the baby of Clinton, and has caused that "sucking sound" of jobs being shipped to Mexico.

I love it when libs are unable to face the reality of thier legacy. When it is ugly, just deny and pretend it never happened. Just like the democratic oppostion to the civil rights movement and slavery. Hey, if I were a democrat today, I would want to forget about EVERYTHING they stand for now as well.
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Old 06-27-2010, 08:26 PM
 
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The USA is going to dominate in nanotechnology and aerospace manufacturing. That is where the future lies.
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