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Old 08-06-2010, 08:42 AM
 
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Turning Obama Into Jimmy Carter | The New York Observer

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Late in the summer of 1976, President Gerald Ford and his inner circle huddled in Vail, Colorado, facing the grimmest general election outlook for a Republican since the L.B.J. landslide of ‘64.
An unelected president, Ford had barely secured the Republican nomination against a fierce challenge from Ronald Reagan, leaving the party’s conservative base dispirited and even more distrustful of Ford than they already had been. And the stench of Watergate—and Ford’s politically damaging pardon of Richard Nixon—stubbornly hung in the air. After eight years of Republican rule, an amorphous but potent yearning for change had taken hold.
At the Vail strategy session, the Ford team zeroed in on the chief vulnerabilities of their Democratic opponent, Jimmy Carter: His lack of experience, his lack of accomplishments and his lack of specificity on the issues. These had to be exploited mercilessly.
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Old 08-06-2010, 10:05 AM
 
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obama has passed carter and is well on his way to woodrow wilson.
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Old 08-06-2010, 12:53 PM
 
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It took Carter three years to get the economy so screwed up he couldn't get elected dog catcher. Ted Kennedy, of all people, mounted a campaign to challenge him for the Dem nomination. Obama inherited a bad situation but has been unable to rectify it.
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Old 08-06-2010, 01:16 PM
 
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Yes...as I predicted. The Dems had their choice of ANYBODY to put in that election and they would have won. 2012 will be a landslide for the Republicans, just like Reagan, and foreign countries will start to realize the US means business...except China.
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Old 08-06-2010, 01:25 PM
 
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One is a confirmed disaster, and the other is well on his way to perhaps passing the peanut farmer.
Carter has spent his post presidential time doing everything in his power to try to rebuild and polish his image for posterity, unfortunately, with some success, thanks to a compliant mainstream media. Yeah, I know about Habitat for Humanity and all of his supposed charitable work, etc., but it's all, repeat ALL about HIM, and the full time effort to make himself relevant and important, despite his debacle as president. Every time I see him, and listen to his holier than thou ramblings, and self-righteous babble, I want to throw up.
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Old 08-06-2010, 01:31 PM
 
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obama has passed carter and is well on his way to woodrow wilson.
Outside of Wilson's abject racism, being compared to Wilson is putting Obama in some pretty good company, considering the Wilson is consistently ranked in the top ten of American presidents.

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Old 08-06-2010, 07:30 PM
 
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Outside of Wilson's abject racism, being compared to Wilson is putting Obama in some pretty good company, considering the Wilson is consistently ranked in the top ten of American presidents.

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yeah, i have serious reservations about those polls considering how high wilson is ranked and how low harding is ranked when it was the cut taxes and spending policies of harding that quashed the depression that wilsons policies of tax and spend caused. wilson also told WW l vets to bugger off after the war when they went to collect the benefits they earned during the war. wilson was in fact a terrible president whose only redeeming quality was he happened to be on the winning side of world war one. FDR was also not as good a president that people claim, but he was far better than wilson. coolidge was also far better than wilson.
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Old 08-06-2010, 07:48 PM
 
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Woodrow wilson is one of the worst, he signed the Federal Reserve act.
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Old 08-06-2010, 07:57 PM
 
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Outside of Wilson's abject racism, being compared to Wilson is putting Obama in some pretty good company, considering the Wilson is consistently ranked in the top ten of American presidents.

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That all depends if you are Progressive or Conservative.
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Old 08-06-2010, 08:32 PM
 
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That all depends if you are Progressive or Conservative.
Conservatives didn't have a problem with Bush pursuing Wilsonian goals of "spreading democracy to the world", an aggressive foreign policy like Wilson's, a blatant pseudoreligiosity and piety like Wilson's, wholesale violations of civil liberties like Wilson's administration, or Bush's support of the Federal Reserve which Wilson created.

Some conservatives would not object to Wilson's blatant racism judging by some of the posts on this board, nor his invading Mexico.

Wilson is certainly amongst the most controversial of presidents, and perhaps there is a parallel here with both Bush and Obama.
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