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C'mon, UAM. We generally get along with one another...and even agree on certain other topics. But it is not quite that simple as you present.
Yes, I know that, but I just thought I'd take the libertarian point of view for a minute, and throw it out there.
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It is not a matter of "not liking" homosexuality. Homosexuality is nothing new. What IS new is the homosexual agenda and it being forced upon the American people (yeah, ok, I hate that cliche' too! LOL) as in the sense of the always "tolerant" attitude is no longer enough. NOW, by gawd, like it or lump it, one is going to have to outright accept it on par with traditional notions of marriage, etc.
No one can force anyone to like or accept homosexuality. I understand that. There will always be people who are against it. But cultures evolve, and our laws change. I don't even see same-sex marriage as a "right", but I do see it as a matter of freedom. Whether or not one approves of it, I don't see how anyone who believes in keeping the government out of our lives can support bans on same-sex marriage.
C'mon, UAM. We generally get along with one another...and even agree on certain other topics. But it is not quite that simple as you present.
It is not a matter of "not liking" homosexuality. Homosexuality is nothing new. What IS new is the homosexual agenda and it being forced upon the American people (yeah, ok, I hate that cliche' too! LOL) as in the sense of the always "tolerant" attitude is no longer enough. NOW, by gawd, like it or lump it, one is going to have to outright accept it on par with traditional notions of marriage, etc.
Pornography is easy...you are right. Dont read it or dont tune into the Playboy channels! LOL (Hell, I used to sneak them into my room and hide them under my bed! ). But each locale has the authority to allow/ban it based upon community standards.
Abortion is not so simple as all that. It really comes down to a matter of when one believes life begins. To just say "don't have one"? Well, that really, really, reduces it to the lowest common denominator in terms of so many considerations.
if you really do believe in freedom.. how can you honestly support limiting someone's access to protections under the law made by the same government they pay taxes to? You don't care what two or 5 people do in their own home behind closed doors.. but if they want a structured family life to protect themselves and the ones they love.. by god no!...
You can't sweep people under rugs and expect them to keep quiet for long.. people know when they've been swept under a rug and treated as second class citizens.. The fallacy in your premis is that you believe homosexuality is a choice.. if it indeed is a choice.. then I would support your stance completely.. because afterall.. making a choice.. there's consequences for a choice. What you need to educate yourself on is that being gay is NOT a choice.. and they deserve the same rights and protections to life liberty and the persuit of happiness as you are afforded..
where do you get your beliefs on this from though? facts? because facts support gay marriage advocates...
some people believe that god planted one man.. adam.. and one woman eve on this planet 6000 years ago.. which began the human race by god..
others believe that the human race came about by a long processes of evolution along with all other life on this planet...
who's right? could evolution believers be wrong? absolutely..but they have EVIDENCE to support their position...
big difference in formulation of beliefs... one is as fair as it can be givin our limited knowledge.. the other is outrageous, unfounded, and ridiculous considering the limited evidence we do know!
Look, BoiseGuy...I am not going to waste much more time arguing with you. You are obviously not open to any other point of view sans that those who disagree with you must be motivated by hatred. Your hysteria is telling.
Facts? A concrete fact is that water freezes at 32 degrees. It is necessary to make ice-cubes.
Another fact is that it takes a woman and man to create a child. No way around it. Even with test-tube babies, there still needs to be an egg and a sperm. And the former cannot come from a man anymore than the latter can come from a woman.
You are attempting to present that the "evidence" supports that gay couples can raise a well-adjusted child in the same general way a same sex couple can.
Well, for one thing, I can -- and have -- find/found lots of counter-evidence which says the opposite. And written by professionals with the credentials to say so. You would not accept it, of course, so I am not going to bother with it.
The truth is, this outrageous experiment with the lives of children is not yet old enough to make a clear cut conclusion one way or another. And never will be, really.
I do know this though. Back in the 70's, the social scientists touted the "enlightened" view that monogamous, traditional marriage was not necessary to the well being of a child. That they could be just as well adjusted in a step parent setting. Or single parent home.
Oh gawdamighty, are we paying the price today for such a "liberated" vision!
And now? It is becoming dangerously close to where something even more appalling is being forced on us. That is, children with no choice, being the fodder in a politically correct agenda.
To quote a wise man: Never once did nature say one thing and wisdom another"
And in this case, a child needs a nurturing and natural male father and a natural female mother. Balancing influences on one another. To subject innocent children to something otherwise is ....hell, almost a crime beyond any magnitude ever in human history...
Yes, I know that, but I just thought I'd take the libertarian point of view for a minute, and throw it out there.
LOL I need to send you the "ideology quiz" which distinguishes from the "left" and "right" Libertarian viewpoint! I'll try and did it up and DM it to you.
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No one can force anyone to like or accept homosexuality. I understand that. There will always be people who are against it. But cultures evolve, and our laws change. I don't even see same-sex marriage as a "right", but I do see it as a matter of freedom. Whether or not one approves of it, I don't see how anyone who believes in keeping the government out of our lives can support bans on same-sex marriage.
I said earlier that if Massachusetts or California want to pass laws allowing homosexual marriage, then hey, groovy (oh man, is THAT an outdated term or what? ). I just don't want it mandated that, say, Texas, or Alabama, or Kansas, is obligated to recognize such.
But we have had this conversation before, AUM. It is not a matter of me liking or disliking it. I accept it exists and always has. I for sure don't think it is the worst "sin" in the world. Further, I am one of those conservative Southern Baptists who mostly agree with that a person cannot help their sexual orientation. And even in high school -- part of the old redneck crowd -- I always found it pathetic and cowardly that some of the so-called "tough guys" would pick on those kids who could not help being what they were.
But that all stops short of saying that I can ever agree that homosexual relationships/sex -- much less marriage -- and much MUCH less a natural parenting role -- as on par with the traditional.
perhaps you should educate yourself on homosexuality a bit before you solidify your opinion of it...
reading all the material you can find about why to disagree with it is not an education on the matter...
This is not MY OPINION... people do not need to 'educate" themselves to know that homosexuality is wrong. How is it that children know what is natural (sexually)
How about animals? Do the animals and children need to be educated?
LOL I need to send you the "ideology quiz" which distinguishes from the "left" and "right" Libertarian viewpoint! I'll try and did it up and DM it to you.
I said earlier that if Massachusetts or California want to pass laws allowing homosexual marriage, then hey, groovy (oh man, is THAT an outdated term or what? ). I just don't want it mandated that, say, Texas, or Alabama, or Kansas, is obligated to recognize such.
But we have had this conversation before, AUM. It is not a matter of me liking or disliking it. I accept it exists and always has. I for sure don't think it is the worst "sin" in the world. Further, I am one of those conservative Southern Baptists who mostly agree with that a person cannot help their sexual orientation. And even in high school -- part of the old redneck crowd -- I always found it pathetic and cowardly that some of the so-called "tough guys" would pick on those kids who could not help being what they were.
But that all stops short of saying that I can ever agree that homosexual relationships/sex -- much less marriage -- and much MUCH less a natural parenting role -- as on par with the traditional.
good post Tex: But here's a problem with certain states going rogue on marriage. What happens to the gay married people when they move to another state? Aren't we supposed to be the UNITED States? This entire gay marriage issue will have to be settled by the U.S. Supreme court, or by a federal consitutional amendment (I don't think we need it, but liberal judges keep screwing things up)
This is not MY OPINION... people do not need to 'educate" themselves to know that homosexuality is wrong. How is it that children know what is natural (sexually)
How about animals? Do the animals and children need to be educated?
Your opinions about homosexuality are from the Dark Ages.
And you say that children know what is natural, sexually? Really? I don't know how anyone can make that argument. I had no idea how people had sex or where babies came from until some friends of mine told me when I was about 12 years old, and even then, I couldn't believe it.
Your opinions about homosexuality are from the Dark Ages.
And you say that children know what is natural, sexually? Really? I don't know how anyone can make that argument. I had no idea how people had sex or where babies came from until some friends of mine told me when I was about 12 years old, and even then, I couldn't believe it.
No, I'm not saying that kids know all of that. But, kids know whats right, and whats wrong. Now, as far as homosexuals... I'm not going to condemn all homosexuals. I am not qualified to judge other people... But, homosexual behavior is not natural, and it is not good for society.
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