Unacceptable behavior for Long Island, arresting man for firing warning shots into his own lawn (lawyer, invasion)
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this is new york it is run by crazy commie socialist democrats. you can only defend yourself with a small stick and you can only use the stick after you have been beaten to death.
otherwise you go to jail for abusing criminals.
You might want to research the Sullivan act. State of NY gun law, written in the early part of last century.
Approx. 25 Highly tatooed men, trespassing and advancing after being asked to leave, shouting death threats to him and his family. MS-13 or other wise, do the gang colors really matter? Really? The resident, who likely does know the gangs in his area, believed them to be MS-13 in a county where LE has daily encounters with them and estimates their numbers of that one gang alone at approx. 2000.
Sorry Carterstamp, your arguments don't hold water. The man did not recklessly discharge his weapon, he did so in a safe direction, the ground. The gang members are alive today because this man chose restraint. More importantly, he is alive today because he was armed and showed these cowardly thugs running in a large group that he was willing to defned his family from their death threats.
What part of that is difficult to comprehend?
What is it of which you are really afraid? That the gang members may have attacked and been shot/killed in the process? Really? Or does it bother you that a law abiding homeowner was practicing his natural right of self-defense as secured by the Second Amendment. Stop hiding and mincing words.
I'll tell you what is unsafe ... it's unsafe to cower in a corner dialing 911 in hope that some knucklehead who thinks he's the only one that has a right to use force in protection of his life shows up 15 minutes later, and before these pieces of filth decide to follow through with their threats.
What's unsafe is having our police embracing the type of attitude that you clearly demonstrate.
That the police acknowledge the existence of over 2000 members of MS-13 in that area only shows just how ineffective the police are. Maybe they should spend more time removing this filth from the streets, and less time arresting law abiding citizens forced to defend themselves from the criminal gangs the police are apparently incapable of handling.
This reminds me of a time when I was in NYC ... I asked a beat cop directions .... he said "well, the direct route is two blocks north, and 4 blocks over ... but I wouldn't go that way if I were you ... it would be safer to go 3 blocks east, then two blocks north and 7 blocks west to avoid X".
Nice. Let's not address the danger ... lets avoid the area.
Seriously, dude? I don't care if you own a freaking armory, just learn how to safely use the firearms you own, and be responsible in using them. Your "hero" wasn't, and he put a lot of people in danger. It wasn't a handgun he discharged into the ground, it was an AK 47 assault weapon.
I love people who think cops need to be everywhere at once. Give me a break. So how do you suggest cops "prevent" crime? Arrest someone off the street because they don't like their looks? Execute some illegal search and seizure? Do you know how many 911 calls come in per day in a large city?
There are around 2900 officers in the county I live in, and the population is, get this...over 2.5 million, and over 2200 square miles of territory to cover. So, what, cops are supposed to use their crystal balls to guess where the crime is, and show up before it happens?
Sure, your one encounter with an NYPD office is endemic to every uniformed officer in the entire country.
You might want to research the Sullivan act. State of NY gun law, written in the early part of last century.
upon second look, it seems I am really really right.... liberal democrats who were also sorry no good criminals in 1911 passed a bad gun law that is still in effect....
so you really cant defend yourself in NY. and I also know more about it than I knew... because I quoted part of it in this thread....
Approx. 25 Highly tatooed men, trespassing and advancing after being asked to leave, shouting death threats to him and his family. MS-13 or other wise, do the gang colors really matter? Really?
Sorry Carterstamp, your arguments don't hold water. The man did not recklessly discharge his weapon, he did so in a safe direction, the ground. The gang members are alive today because this man chose restraint. More importantly, he is alive today because he was armed and showed these cowardly thugs running in a large group that he was willing to defned his family from their death threats.
What part of that is difficult to comprehend?
And he shot an automatic weapon into the ground illegally.
First, I'm not here to argue about the law, it is what it is, and from what I am reading the actions of the police in this case is one that is pretty universal across states.
Second, arguing over the weapon used is strawman argument since it has nothing to do with the charges Mr. Grier faces.
Mr. Grier made a number of very egregious mistakes.
1. Once Mr. Grier had secured his weapon, he should have stayed inside his home and awaited the arrival of the police.
2. By going outside and confronting the perceived threat he did three things. He jeopardized his claim that he was in imminent harm.
3. According to the report by leaving his home and challenging the men he escalated the situation as evidence by the taunts that he wouldn't use the weapon and the fact that others came to the aid of his alleged intruders.
4. The fourth and most critical was firing his weapon without facing an imminent threat. And while it could be argued that firing warning shots is far more "humane" that actually shooting a person, it undercuts the argument that the individual holding the weapon was in a life threatening position.
Mr. Grier, is lucky that the only charges that he faces is discharging a weapon in a public area. Some jurisdictions would have charged him with much more serious offenses.
Seriously, dude? I don't care if you own a freaking armory, just learn how to safely use the firearms you own, and be responsible in using them. Your "hero" wasn't, and he put a lot of people in danger. It wasn't a handgun he discharged into the ground, it was an AK 47 assault weapon.
I love people who think cops need to be everywhere at once. Give me a break. So how do you suggest cops "prevent" crime? Arrest someone off the street because they don't like their looks? Execute some illegal search and seizure? Do you know how many 911 calls come in per day in a large city?
There are around 2900 officers in the county I live in, and the population is, get this...over 2.5 million, and over 2200 square miles of territory to cover. So, what, cops are supposed to use their crystal balls to guess where the crime is, and show up before it happens?
Sure, your one encounter with an NYPD office is endemic to every uniformed officer in the entire country.
grow up.
back to reality. are you really saying that given the lack of a good option, this guys choice of firing the gun was worse than not doing so and risk being bum rusheed by 20 to 25 MS13 gang members?
upon second look, it seems I am really really right.... liberal democrats who were also sorry no good criminals in 1911 passed a bad gun law that is still in effect....
so you really cant defend yourself in NY. and I also know more about it than I knew... because I quoted part of it in this thread....
Does the law say that? Don't think so. Were the "gang" members armed? were any weapons brandished?
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