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The further to the right the Conservative Movement goes the less people they appeal to. I want to them to "pruify" the Republican Party as much as possible in the next couple of years.
Left-Wing agenda to belittle Sarah Palin and Christians and the Tea Party.......it's not working, go to a Tea Party, you will NOT SEE THIS!!!!
Do you actually think that they will have these things going on at The Lincoln Memorial? They are using ignorant people to fulfill a really twisted agenda through politics and government. I'm not talking about the innocent Joe Shmoe that is going along for the ride, I'm talking about these candidates that are being put out there as possible representatives.
From my post yesterday...
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Why aren't they speaking out against the military industrial complex?
Why do we not hear them rallying against outsourcing of jobs?
Why aren't they demanding more manufacturing done in the USA and promoting "Buy American"?
Why aren't they speaking out against unpaid tax cuts for the top two perecent?
Why aren' they speaking out against the special interests and lobbyists?
Why aren't they advocating for Campaign Finance Reform?
Why are they being funded by the Koch brothers if they are supposed to be a grassroots movement?
Actually, that sounds far more like the RW to me. An RW on the handicapped parking forum is arguing that obesity is self-caused, therefore no handicapped placards should be issued to people who suffer from obestiy-related problems.
Is a well-known tenet of the self-help gurus to lay a guilt trip on people for having maladies. Neat, huh? A major problem with the left is their deleterious collective guilt.
Christine O'Donnell is a complete moron. Don't these people vet their candidates? Now she's cancelled her upcoming appearances on Fox News. I guess the revolution won't be televised
Meanwhile, the Washington Post reports, via Bob Schieffer, that O'Donnell has pulled out of a scheduled appearance this Sunday on CBS' "Face the Nation," perhaps due to the sheer number of her controversial remarks that have been unearthed since she shocked the political world with her upset primary win in Delaware.
A radical, right-wing charismatic evangelical movement is burrowing into the power structures of major American cities and states.
They claim to be able to raise the dead and cause miracles, such as the multiplication of Thanksgiving turkey dinners. They burn "witchcraft items" and "idols." They hold mass exorcisms to cast out alleged evil spirits they say cause lust, pornography, addiction, homosexuality, bisexuality, and perversion. They claim to be able to heal HIV, AIDS, Hepatitis C, Glaucoma, and cancer, and to break "generational curses" and "witchcraft curses." Who are they? Here are a few overviews (bonus links below).
They compare opponents of their movement to rats that will be exterminated and one of their leaders has predicted that the regime they're working to create will initially "seem like totalitarianism". They're closely tied to the notorious, so-called "kill the gays bill" before Uganda's Parliament. They're behind Sarah Palin and one of their "prophets" has become the de-facto prayer leader for the Republican Party.
I do share your concerns as one of the minorites whose right are constantly infrindged upon by the conservative christians of America, I will say that our system of government exisits in a state where they can't just take it over willingly. The system of checks and balances in place far exceeds their ignorance and bigotry and radical religious ferver.
There are enough moderate politicians, enough moderate states and enough moderate voters and leaders to temper any radical movement these lunatics would thrust upon civil society.
It is of course the beauty of living in a REPUBLIC and not a democracy. The rule of the people is tempered by law and constitution [inlcuding the big C constituition]. That as a matter of custom, there is no such thing in America as the rule/will of the people. No legal or constitutional precedent for that exists. For that I thank God.
This is the point and the eternal optimism of the Judicial Branch, and I would cite such landmark cases as "Commonwealth v. Jennison, 1783" the abolishing of slavery in Massachusetts, "Brown v. Board of Education, 1954" ending segragation across the South, and even as recently as last month's "Kristin M. Perry v. Arnold Schwarzenegger, 2010" which overturned Prop 8 in California. See people tend to forget the Judicial branch as being co-equal and separate from the other two branches of government. But a simple civics lesson would remind the general public of the systems of checks and balances our Founders created and then spread across from the 13 original states to the other 37, and to the federal government under the newly minted Constitution.
As James Madison wrote in the Federalist #10:
"From this view of the subject it may be concluded that a pure democracy, by which I mean a society consisting of a small number of citizens, who assemble and administer the government in person, can admit of no cure for the mischiefs of faction. A common passion or interest will, in almost every case, be felt by a majority of the whole; a communication and concert result from the form of government itself; and there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party or an obnoxious individual. Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. Theoretic politicians, who have patronized this species of government, have erroneously supposed that by reducing mankind to a perfect equality in their political rights, they would, at the same time, be perfectly equalized and assimilated in their possessions, their opinions, and their passions. A republic, by which I mean a government in which the scheme of representation takes place, opens a different prospect, and promises the cure for which we are seeking. Let us examine the points in which it varies from pure democracy, and we shall comprehend both the nature of the cure and the efficacy which it must derive from the Union."
What Madison is saying as he explains why we ought to be a republic over a democracy is that in order to ensure and enshrine life, liberty and happiness, property rights, freedom of religion, etc is that the form of government must protect these institutions. Jefferson wrote the same thing into the Declaration of Independence, and John Adams wrote the same thing into the Massachusetts Constitution of 1780 [a document every American should be familar with].
Further more, the Constitution-which every state must ratify-implicitly explains that each form of government is to be republican, whose specific form is determined at the will of the state.
Even as Jefferson writes in the Declaration, at the behest of Franklin and Adams, that these so-given rights are unalienable. Simply put they are undeniable, sacred, eternal, fortress-like in their existence. They are above all things in this earthly world-perfect and extendable to ALL humans now and forever.
There have been far-right crazies for a long while, and my guess is for a long while to come.
But we as a nation must educate ourselves on every person who inhabits this nation with us. Be they gay, or Muslim, or atheist. The laws and tradition of this nation are such that every citizen and inhabitant of this land is granted the exact smae rights, and the exact same protection under the law, no better and no worse.
Yes it is abhored that a bunch of narrow-minded ignoramaouses from Missouri or Kanas, or East Bumblebutt, Idaho want to turn America into some third-world Christian theocracy, a New Jerusalem on the Mississippi, all in the name of Christ Jesus, and the Founding of America. If that is the case, then they know-nothing of the work and teaching of Lord Jesus or the writings and philoshophies of our great men and women who fought off tryanny and oppression to create a free and open and tolerable society.
For this I'll pray for them to learn. Fot they should learn they are jsut as blessed to live in a nation where they might spew their hatred, in as much as I am bless to be exactly who I am and to live my life, defend my liberty and personal property and to pursue my happiness.
I do share your concerns as one of the minorites whose right are constantly infrindged upon by the conservative christians of America, I will say that our system of government exisits in a state where they can't just take it over willingly. The system of checks and balances in place far exceeds their ignorance and bigotry and radical religious ferver.
There are enough moderate politicians, enough moderate states and enough moderate voters and leaders to temper any radical movement these lunatics would thrust upon civil society.
It is of course the beauty of living in a REPUBLIC and not a democracy. The rule of the people is tempered by law and constitution [inlcuding the big C constituition]. That as a matter of custom, there is no such thing in America as the rule/will of the people. No legal or constitutional precedent for that exists. For that I thank God.
This is the point and the eternal optimism of the Judicial Branch, and I would cite such landmark cases as "Commonwealth v. Jennison, 1783" the abolishing of slavery in Massachusetts, "Brown v. Board of Education, 1954" ending segragation across the South, and even as recently as last month's "Kristin M. Perry v. Arnold Schwarzenegger, 2010" which overturned Prop 8 in California. See people tend to forget the Judicial branch as being co-equal and separate from the other two branches of government. But a simple civics lesson would remind the general public of the systems of checks and balances our Founders created and then spread across from the 13 original states to the other 37, and to the federal government under the newly minted Constitution.
As James Madison wrote in the Federalist #10:
"From this view of the subject it may be concluded that a pure democracy, by which I mean a society consisting of a small number of citizens, who assemble and administer the government in person, can admit of no cure for the mischiefs of faction. A common passion or interest will, in almost every case, be felt by a majority of the whole; a communication and concert result from the form of government itself; and there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party or an obnoxious individual. Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. Theoretic politicians, who have patronized this species of government, have erroneously supposed that by reducing mankind to a perfect equality in their political rights, they would, at the same time, be perfectly equalized and assimilated in their possessions, their opinions, and their passions. A republic, by which I mean a government in which the scheme of representation takes place, opens a different prospect, and promises the cure for which we are seeking. Let us examine the points in which it varies from pure democracy, and we shall comprehend both the nature of the cure and the efficacy which it must derive from the Union."
What Madison is saying as he explains why we ought to be a republic over a democracy is that in order to ensure and enshrine life, liberty and happiness, property rights, freedom of religion, etc is that the form of government must protect these institutions. Jefferson wrote the same thing into the Declaration of Independence, and John Adams wrote the same thing into the Massachusetts Constitution of 1780 [a document every American should be familar with].
Further more, the Constitution-which every state must ratify-implicitly explains that each form of government is to be republican, whose specific form is determined at the will of the state.
Even as Jefferson writes in the Declaration, at the behest of Franklin and Adams, that these so-given rights are unalienable. Simply put they are undeniable, sacred, eternal, fortress-like in their existence. They are above all things in this earthly world-perfect and extendable to ALL humans now and forever.
There have been far-right crazies for a long while, and my guess is for a long while to come.
But we as a nation must educate ourselves on every person who inhabits this nation with us. Be they gay, or Muslim, or atheist. The laws and tradition of this nation are such that every citizen and inhabitant of this land is granted the exact smae rights, and the exact same protection under the law, no better and no worse.
Yes it is abhored that a bunch of narrow-minded ignoramaouses from Missouri or Kanas, or East Bumblebutt, Idaho want to turn America into some third-world Christian theocracy, a New Jerusalem on the Mississippi, all in the name of Christ Jesus, and the Founding of America. If that is the case, then they know-nothing of the work and teaching of Lord Jesus or the writings and philoshophies of our great men and women who fought off tryanny and oppression to create a free and open and tolerable society.
For this I'll pray for them to learn. Fot they should learn they are jsut as blessed to live in a nation where they might spew their hatred, in as much as I am bless to be exactly who I am and to live my life, defend my liberty and personal property and to pursue my happiness.
...and I rely heavily on the voices of reason, logic and sanity to protect us from this current onslaught of the fringe. Thank you for your thoughtful post.
A radical, right-wing charismatic evangelical movement is burrowing into the power structures of major American cities and states.
They claim to be able to raise the dead and cause miracles, such as the multiplication of Thanksgiving turkey dinners. They burn "witchcraft items" and "idols." They hold mass exorcisms to cast out alleged evil spirits they say cause lust, pornography, addiction, homosexuality, bisexuality, and perversion. They claim to be able to heal HIV, AIDS, Hepatitis C, Glaucoma, and cancer, and to break "generational curses" and "witchcraft curses." Who are they? Here are a few overviews (bonus links below).
They compare opponents of their movement to rats that will be exterminated and one of their leaders has predicted that the regime they're working to create will initially "seem like totalitarianism". They're closely tied to the notorious, so-called "kill the gays bill" before Uganda's Parliament. They're behind Sarah Palin and one of their "prophets" has become the de-facto prayer leader for the Republican Party.
I'm still waiting for Tea Party supporter to "come up" with an answer to any of these questions. Will you? Until one does, the Tea movement is very suspect...to say the least.
Why aren't they speaking out against the military industrial complex?
Why do we not hear them rallying against outsourcing of jobs?
Why aren't they demanding more manufacturing done in the USA and promoting "Buy American"?
Why aren't they speaking out against unpaid tax cuts for the top two perecent?
Why aren' they speaking out against the special interests and lobbyists?
Why aren't they advocating for Campaign Finance Reform?
Why are they being funded by the Koch brothers if they are supposed to be a grassroots movement?
Why is "Crazy Eyed" Michele Bachmann getting farm subsidies while advocating for less government spending and non social programs?
Last edited by sickofnyc; 09-18-2010 at 03:27 PM..
Do you actually think that they will have these things going on at The Lincoln Memorial? They are using ignorant people to fulfill a really twisted agenda through politics and government. I'm not talking about the innocent Joe Shmoe that is going along for the ride, I'm talking about these candidates that are being put out there as possible representatives.
If their agenda is smaller govt. and less spending, where are their voices on these issues?
I posted a link to this Andrew Sullivan article in a different thread, but it's relevant to what you're saying:
"Yes, (the Tea Party) are, for the most part, emphasizing economic and fiscal issues, which is wonderful, even though they have no actual realistic plans to cut spending by the amount they would have to if taxes are not to rise. But that does not mean they have in any way forsaken the social issues substantively. Name a tea-party candidate who is pro-choice. Name one who backs marriage equality. Name one who wants to withdraw from Afghanistan beginning next year. Name one who has opposed torture. Name one who has the slightest qualms about police powers. Name one who would end the military ban on gays serving openly, and take even the slightest political risk on any of these subjects.
"I welcome the belated right-wing opposition to out-of-control government spending. But the one thing you have to note about tea-party fervor is that none of it existed when they had real leverage over a Republican president, who spent us into bankruptcy. That tells you something. And if you think a party led by Palin will not embrace every neocon crusade or Christianist social policy, you're dreaming."
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