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Old 09-22-2010, 10:32 AM
 
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For while the United States has yet to scrap its progressive, graduated income tax in favor of a single rate, politicians in Sofia, Bratislava and other eastern European capitals have enthusiastically adopted flat taxes, often to the benefit of their treasuries and, some would argue, their economies.

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Could someone explain the problems that will occur in the U.S if America moved to a flat tax?
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Old 09-22-2010, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Sunshine state
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I thought Pennsylvania already implemented a flat state income tax at 3.07%. The people there seem to be okay with it.
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Old 09-22-2010, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Then everyone would have to pay the same percentage based on their wages. The upper class see this as class warfare, because then they'll have to pay more money. Same percentage, but the more you make, the more you pay. Seems to make sense to me, but rich folks don't like it.

Then the poor or lower class can't make ends meet as well as they once did. However, don't they get government assistance to get through anyway?

I'd love a flat tax. Everyone pays one equal percentage. But, alas, it will never happen.
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Old 09-22-2010, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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the 'fair-tax' , which is a consumption tax on all new items, would be better for all


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Old 09-22-2010, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Reality
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the 'fair-tax' , which is a consumption tax on all new items, would be better for all


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A fair consumption tax is the only truly fair tax, lots of people hate the idea because there's no easy way to hide consumption and get around the tax. There are no loopholes, everyone pays for what they consume.
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Old 09-22-2010, 11:04 AM
 
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I favor a flat tax. It would makes things so simple, especially compared to what we have today. Plus it would be fair, those who earn the most money would still pay the most tax in raw dollars.

But the progressives would NEVER stand for this, they demand a progressive tax structure where a small % of the population pay the vast majority of the tax. Plus close to 50% of Americans pay no federal income tax (up from about 30% in 1980). This 50% love not paying income taxes and never want to pay taxes again.

Another reason I don't like the current tax structure besides the fact that it's complicated and unfair is that it causes moral decay. Let's take two women who earn the same income..one is single and childless and the other three children with three different fathers, The single women will most likely pay taxes while the women with illegitimate children will pay zero taxes thanks to the Earned Income Tax Credit and other tax rebates, She will also get food stamps, Section 8 etc. The good woman who is trying to play by the rules will pay taxes to support her immoral counterpart, With a flat tax both of these women (and everyone else) would pay the same rate. That's the way it should be.
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Old 09-22-2010, 11:09 AM
 
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Another reason I don't like the current tax structure besides the fact that it's complicated and unfair is that it causes moral decay. Let's take two women who earn the same income..one is single and childless and the other three children with three different fathers, The single women will most likely pay taxes while the women with illegitimate children will pay zero taxes thanks to the Earned Income Tax Credit and other tax rebates, She will also get food stamps, Section 8 etc. The good woman who is trying to play by the rules will pay taxes to support her immoral counterpart, With a flat tax both of these women (and everyone else) would pay the same rate. That's the way it should be.
So you're mixing government policy and morality?

What if, in your hypothetical scenario, the "immoral counterpart" was replaced with a woman who had three children while married, but her husband died suddenly, leaving her to support the children on her small salary? Would she be entitled to EIC, food stamps, section 8, etc? After all, she wasn't "immoral" by your standards.......
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Old 09-22-2010, 11:22 AM
 
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So you're mixing government policy and morality?

What if, in your hypothetical scenario, the "immoral counterpart" was replaced with a woman who had three children while married, but her husband died suddenly, leaving her to support the children on her small salary? Would she be entitled to EIC, food stamps, section 8, etc? After all, she wasn't "immoral" by your standards.......
No. I'm consistent. Those programs shouldn't exist. They go against what this country was founded on. In your scenario the husband should have had life insurance.

Yes I mix governemnt policy and morality, they are totally connected to each other. Before LBJs "War On Poverty" and Great Society programs the traditional family was the norm in this country. We had much less social problems than we have today because the family unit was strong. Many social coservatives don't realize how important fiscal policies are. You can't legislate morality but you can set fiscal policies to encourage it and make the consequences for being immoral (having illegitimate children in particular) dire.
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Old 09-22-2010, 11:25 AM
 
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No. I'm consistent. Those programs shouldn't exist. They go against what this country was founded on. In your scenario the husband should have had life insurance.

Yes I mix governemnt policy and morality, they are totally connected to each other. Before LBJs "War On Poverty" and Great Society programs the traditional family was the norm in this country. We had much less social problems than we have today because the family unit was strong. Many social coservatives don't realize how important fiscal policies are. You can't legislate morality but you can set fiscal policies to encourage it and make the consequences for being immoral (having illegitimate children in particular) dire.
I'm sorry, I'm just sitting here chuckling as I think about the fact that I'm reading posts about morality, written by someone who lives in Las Vegas- a city that was founded on, and continues to exploit, just about every immoral thing on the planet....lol.
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Old 09-22-2010, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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All the US States with an income tax have a very regressive flat tax that puts an unfair burden on the lower income citizens. All income taxes should exclude the lower 90% of the citizens. Then they can use whatever level of progressivity they want.
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