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Old 10-13-2010, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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They need to show the separation. The Chamber keeps saying but this is legal because it is separated. But if it is so legal than show the separation. They could stop this at any time if they would show how the money is being separated.
The SEIU collects dues from foreign union members, and yet the SEIU contributed millions of dollars to 0bama's campaign, and it just contributed $5 million to Jerry Brown's campaign in California. That is a hell of a lot more then the $300,000 the chamber collected. Are you falling for the dirty politics of 0bama?

Last Tuesday, the liberal blog ThinkProgress, run by the Center for American Progress Action Fund, reported that the U.S. Chamber of Commerce had collected some $300,000 in annual dues from foreign companies. Since the money went into the Chamber's general fund, the allegation is that it could have been used to pay for political ads, which would violate a ban on foreign companies participating in American elections. LINK


The Service Employees International Union announced on Thursday a new independent expenditure of $5 million in support of California gubernatorial candidate Jerry Brown (D).
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Old 10-13-2010, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Considering all the nativist concerns expressed by conservatives, whether it is Chinese ownership of American companies, out sourcing "American" jobs, one world government, the literati etc, etc, I find it quite interesting that when the wheel hits the pavement how quickly those concerns seem to glide away when it comes to protecting their own.
..and how quickly you dems want to jump on the band wagon and follow crooked politicians over the cliff. One reason why organizations like the Chamber of Commerce are protected in this way was because we did not want government raiding the donor list and threatening, bullying and intimidating individuals who contribute to organizations that they were opposed to.
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Old 10-13-2010, 07:01 PM
 
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Since some of the Companies they invited in do business with Bin Laden construction and the Wahabis, it is safe to assume Al Quieda is in there somewhere. The Camber of commerce is becoming an anti American Organization
The Bin Laden family seperated from Osama Bin Laden DECADES ago... but lets make the same link you just did..

Obama did business with Bill Ayers, who belonged to an organization who bombed the pentagon. Given the SAME leap you just made, Obama is anti American.. right?
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Old 10-13-2010, 07:03 PM
 
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I heard that Obama is on the payroll of the Chi-Coms.
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Old 10-14-2010, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Remember, he specifically "called out" Rove and Gillespie too.

Karl Rove: I Am No Threat to Democracy - WSJ.com

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Last Thursday, in his speech at Bowie State University, President Obama accused the U.S. Chamber of Commerce of trying to "steal our democracy" by funding campaign activities with donations from foreign contributors.

But if some West Wing geniuses really think voters will forget Mr. Obama's body of work—the lousy jobs picture, failed stimulus package, disastrous health-care law, reckless spending and unprecedented deficits—simply by throwing dust in the air, then the president should run off a few more senior aides.
Anybody notice how this issue has quietly disappeared for the most part?

I guess the geniuses in the WH have realized this attack worked about as well as the one against Fox and Boehner.
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Old 10-14-2010, 02:09 PM
 
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I don't understand your question. What "system" are you talking about.
The system used to separate the funds.
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Old 10-14-2010, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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The system used to separate the funds.
You mean the accounting system, the one that is audited every year?
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Old 10-14-2010, 02:24 PM
 
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The SEIU collects dues from foreign union members, and yet the SEIU contributed millions of dollars to 0bama's campaign, and it just contributed $5 million to Jerry Brown's campaign in California. That is a hell of a lot more then the $300,000 the chamber collected. Are you falling for the dirty politics of 0bama?

Last Tuesday, the liberal blog ThinkProgress, run by the Center for American Progress Action Fund, reported that the U.S. Chamber of Commerce had collected some $300,000 in annual dues from foreign companies. Since the money went into the Chamber's general fund, the allegation is that it could have been used to pay for political ads, which would violate a ban on foreign companies participating in American elections. LINK


The Service Employees International Union announced on Thursday a new independent expenditure of $5 million in support of California gubernatorial candidate Jerry Brown (D). LINK
I'm not falling for anything. I want reform. I think it is pathetic that this has come up 3 week before elections. I am not happy about this at all. However, I think it is equally pathetic that the Chamber is hiding behind its status. I think that they aren't going to push anything meaningful towards reform, because it has been blocked, until after the election. Lucky for us, there will be future elections.

I understand that the corps need to be protected. However, we the people also need protection. And they sure as hell aren't going to hand it over. So we need to find a way to focus on some middle ground where we gain the most and lose the least. Or we at least break even.

If I had my druthers, everybody up for election, at any place or any given time, would have to put their behind on the back of a caboose and do it the old fashioned way. Here's 5 bucks......don't spend it all in one place.
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Old 10-14-2010, 02:30 PM
 
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You mean the accounting system, the one that is audited every year?
If all of this money is thrown into the general fund and if the question of the hour is how is this money separated? and the answer is, we have a system----then by god show the system so everyone can have a bowl of shut it stew and we can move on to other crap that is more important.
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Old 10-14-2010, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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If all of this money is thrown into the general fund and if the question of the hour is how is this money separated? and the answer is, we have a system----then by god show the system so everyone can have a bowl of shut it stew and we can move on to other crap that is more important.
Why? There is no law saying they must do that. Again, obama can lie through his pie hole, making baseless claims with not a shred of evidence, and the one he is attacking should just roll over?

When the Lefty organizations start doing what you want...maybe.

When obama can account for his undisclosed MILLIONS...maybe. (How come it didn't bother you when he was raking in the cash in 2008?)

The ONLY reason they want the list of donors is to intimidate, attack and put pressure on them....to silence their opposition.
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