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Old 10-11-2010, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Inyokern, CA
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I think the article is a decent advocacy for one side of thinking, but the other perspective has substantial validity too.

I'd summarize this as a cooperative vs competitive view of society. I would argue that the liberals favor a high degree of cooperation, which I kind of see advocated in this article, while conservatives prefer a competitive environment. The cooperative may result in more even distribution of benefits, but I'd argue that the competitive would result in larger gains and benefits to society as a whole.
The only way that anything benefits society as a whole is when every member of that society takes responsibility for themselves! That's what our Constitution provides...the opportunity for every citizen to do so. Those that do not take that responsibility are an enormous burden to society.
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Old 10-11-2010, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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I think you need to study and understand the psychological problem referred to as "the tyranny of the common".

Human nature (if you can change that, get back to me) is to perform in a fashion which is mutally disadvantegous to the "collective" due to fear and mistrust of individual mutual effort and support. This is human nature and cannot be changed. There are numerous psychological studies showing this apparently irrational behavior, yet it is universal.
Remember the rat experiment?

Handful of rats in a huge run with optimal environmental conditions. Over time the population of the colony increases until it reaches a peak, and then from that point, the colony self-destructed in about 3 days. Rats were showing anti-social behavior, acting reclusive, isolating themselves, while others were attacking and killing colony members.

The very last rat died inexplicably. All other rats were dead, it had no enemies and all the food and water it could ever want, and was still quite young.
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Old 10-11-2010, 04:02 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I don't care who he is all I know is that FDR was the greatest leader the free world ever had and we would be truly blessed to have another like him.
You would feel blessed to prolong economic hardship for another 7 years?
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Old 10-11-2010, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Inyokern, CA
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I don't care who he is all I know is that FDR was the greatest leader the free world ever had and we would be truly blessed to have another like him.
Oh, my...not so! FDR was one of the worst Presidents we have ever had. He prolonged the Great Depression with his idiot policies and started us down the road of Socialism and debt. I pray we never have another FDR or Obama! This Country can't survive such stupidity for another round.
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Old 10-11-2010, 04:10 PM
 
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Remember the rat experiment?

Handful of rats in a huge run with optimal environmental conditions. Over time the population of the colony increases until it reaches a peak, and then from that point, the colony self-destructed in about 3 days. Rats were showing anti-social behavior, acting reclusive, isolating themselves, while others were attacking and killing colony members.

The very last rat died inexplicably. All other rats were dead, it had no enemies and all the food and water it could ever want, and was still quite young.
I recall this and it reminds me of a college near by that offered an elective course in "wilderness survival". Over the course, students were taught how to do the basics, like make fire, where to seek shelter, construct a shelter, forage for food, native plants, etc...

At the end of the course, half the grade was determined by a weekend camping trip in which each student was required to live alone from Sat. morning to Sun evening. The class had like a 40% fail rate because so many students couldn't hack being by themselves for two days. Many students who thought it would be a fun and easy course ended up getting a lesson in psychology they never expected.

Personally, it sounds like a heavenly vacation, but I realize many folks can't even sit silently in a chair for an hour, let alone a day alone in silence.
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Old 10-11-2010, 04:14 PM
 
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More fear-mongering. Why don't you outline all the similarities between the "Fatherland" and the United States that you perceive, explain how those similarities are the fault of President Obama, and what you think would be a better system. Then, perhaps, you could justly be denigrating others for shallow thinking, but at this point, you have not demonstrated that depth is your strong suit.
Not that you'd have the foggiest chance of understanding ... as it is so obvious on the surface, your missing those things proves your inability from the onset ... I will, for others who may possess the intellect to grasp them, honor your rhetorical request.

Though I would first point out that Obama has very little to do with any of it ... I blamed the Obama-bots ... not Obama ... there is a decidedly important distinction here, so let that be your first illumination. And the second one should be that the same could be said of the "other side" the Bush-bots who to this day will swear to you that we actually did find those dreaded weapons of mass destruction tucked away in Saddam's closet in palace number 3 ... even after it was publicly admitted that they were not found. Apparently even a confession is not good enough. The common denominator is never the "dictator" himself, these are just puppets ... but of the idiots that follow and support them ... who believe the blatant lies ... and continue to allow themselves to be lied to because they haven't the brains or courage to think for themselves.

The similarities are numerous, as is also the case with many other failed "empires" of the past, of which Nazi Germany is but one recent example.

Hitler came to power through the promise of restoring the great German Republic which had been ravaged by war and paralyzed by economic hardship imposed by previous policies. As Hitler's nationalistic propaganda advanced and he gained political power from the "common people" promising to restore Germany's proud heritage and national prestige, his rise to power, and his ability to rebuild Germany was financed by the international gangster banksters that have run America for decades. In fact, he was a contrivance of the international bankers ... a created enemy to be combatted by the Allied Forces who were also funded by the same bankers. Those are the facts, and if it sounds like a conspiracy theory to you ... it's only a sign of your ignorance.

Then, Hitler needed an enemy to consolidate the masses behind his expansionist imperial agenda. The communists. He sat out to create his police state apparatus to combat the communist threat to the "Fatherland". His burning of the Reichstag to be blamed on the communists allowed him to convince the parliament to decree to him dictatorial powers ... and round up all political opposition. First, the brown shirts ... then the SS, whom he used to murder the brown shirts as soon as they outlived their usefulness. He waged a psychological con game on the German public with patriotism, as he preemptively invaded countries of eastern europe, claiming to be combating persecution, and other false claims. Using his police state apparatus, he maintained his status as supreme ruler with a combination of propaganda and fear. Ultimately, through unsustainable wars of aggression, he bankrupted and destroyed the nation he claimed to be saving and restoring to worldwide prominence.

This is precisely what has been occurring since September 12, 2001. First, the events of 911 (Hitler's Reichstag) .. and the following 10 years of preemptive wars of aggression being sold to the public as the war on terror. The police state apparatus began in earnest by the passing of the Patriot Act, and the establishment of the Department of Homeland Security (Hitler's SS).

The economic drains on the American economy from wars and the doubling of the size of the federal government, combined with the wholesale looting of the treasury under the guise of bailouts and economic stimulus is leading the country (and the world) to financial collapse. The death blow will come at the moment of THEIR choosing ... probably by means of another "Staged Terror Event" to justify another war ... this one with Iran, which has been the target all along. Look at a BLOODY MAP, and see how Iran is being surrounded by US and Israeli military operations ... The same LAME excuses of WMD's that were used to justify war with Iraq are now being recycled and used to stimulate public support for an attack on Iran .... ALL LIES ... but the American public is so dumbed down, they can barely tie their own shoelaces at this point, so it really doesn't matter how many times these criminals lie ... or use the SAME LIES ... it appears as though the public will buy it.

Hey ... if you can get the public to agree that it's necessary to give Trillions of dollars to Billionaire gangsters in order to fix an economic crisis the gangsters themselves created by looting the economy with endless wars and government spending ... I guess they'll buy anything ... including their little American Flags to wave, and the Yellow Ribbon stickers that say "Support the troops" they buy at Walmart ... all made in China.

It's one large festival of stupidity ... one gigantic con job .... and the cherry on top?

A freaking Kenyan illegal alien installed in the White House .... with the masses of the MOST IGNORANT PEOPLE EVER TO BREATH FREAKING AIR cheering with bloody tears of joy streaming from their stupid faces.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXqQ0...eature=related

I'd love to chalk this up to the inherent goodness of people and their heartfelt belief in hope and change.

Unfortunately, with a lifetime of lies coming from virtually every politician we've endured for the past 40 years, such generosity and benefit of the doubt is undeserved.

The ignorant masses bought this Madison Avenue creation, like the latest designer pair of jeans ... and that truly is the ultimate display of stupidity.


Welcome to the 4th Reich .... where political dissent is labeled racism ... and blind support of the most obvious lies are the new form of patriotism.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXkBJ...eature=related
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Old 10-11-2010, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Columbus
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Additionally, the fleeting decline happened not because of the New Deal's spending programs, but because Roosevelt momentarily listened to conservatives and backed off them. As Nobel-winning economist Paul Krugman notes, in 1937-38, FDR "was persuaded to balance the budget" and "cut spending and the economy went back down again."
Coming from the same group of people that say Clinton balancing the budget helped and Bush running a deficit ruined the economy.

I wish you liberals would make up your minds and stick to it. I'm tired of all your doublespeak. And you actually expect people to believe you? LOLs.

When Harding cut spending and balanced the budget the economy got good again. Way better than any of FDRs economies. Please explain that?
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Old 10-11-2010, 04:35 PM
 
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Oh, my...not so! FDR was one of the worst Presidents we have ever had. He prolonged the Great Depression with his idiot policies and started us down the road of Socialism and debt. I pray we never have another FDR or Obama! This Country can't survive such stupidity for another round.
Oh come on now ... just because he confiscated everyone's gold and later silver too the moment he got into office ... later goaded and provoked Japan into war and withheld information about an attack from the Commanders at Pearl Harbor to gain support for entering WW II after promising the American people no more American involvement in European wars ... just because he was a card carrying, unapologetic communist ... and a globalist banker TRAITOR to the United States military and people ...

What's not to like about Mr. "Let's make a NEW Deal"?
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Old 10-11-2010, 04:37 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Coming from the same group of people that say Clinton balancing the budget helped and Bush running a deficit ruined the economy.

I wish you liberals would make up your minds and stick to it. I'm tired of all your doublespeak. And you actually expect people to believe you? LOLs.
They don't think it through that far.
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Old 10-11-2010, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Oh come on now ... just because he confiscated everyone's gold and later silver too the moment he got into office ... later goaded and provoked Japan into war and withheld information about an attack from the Commanders at Pearl Harbor to gain support for entering WW II after promising the American people no more American involvement in European wars ... just because he was a card carrying, unapologetic communist ... and a globalist banker TRAITOR to the United States military and people ...

What's not to like about Mr. "Let's make a NEW Deal"?
Not quite..he bailed out the banks right after he got sworn in and then he confiscated everyone's gold.
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