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Old 01-05-2011, 07:33 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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These are ENTRY LEVEL jobs here. They shouldn't be a "living wage"..they are the first step you take when getting out in the world on your own.

The fact that many have made these entry level jobs (p/t cashier) their careers is not cause to decide to pay them more.
Who cares what term you use for them they are jobs that people who are not teenagers are taking who taking them. Many of these jobs do not have opportunities to make a living wage because employers may give raises but would never give a living wage. If you look at the definition of minimum wage you will never see that it says it was meant to not pay a living wage. The only reason most of these are part time is because the employer is trying to pay the employee as little as possible so they cut their hours to part time.
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Old 01-05-2011, 07:43 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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My point is if you take 15 million from one person everyone else gets $250. You have accomplished nothing as far as making anyone else better off.

If you are making 50 or 60 grand ayear thn a 250 raise is probably going to cause resentment more than anything else.

You sure people usually living one paycheck from homelessness manage their money well? You have evidence of that? That is quite an assumption especially if you have not facts to back it up.
Yes you have helped people have money that could help make sure they have enough to pay their bills for the month instead of going to a person who really does not need that money. I like how instead of answering my question you put the burden proof back on me but I guess that is what you do when you have no answer.
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Old 01-05-2011, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Who cares what term you use for them they are jobs that people who are not teenagers are taking who taking them. Many of these jobs do not have opportunities to make a living wage because employers may give raises but would never give a living wage. If you look at the definition of minimum wage you will never see that it says it was meant to not pay a living wage. The only reason most of these are part time is because the employer is trying to pay the employee as little as possible so they cut their hours to part time.
The employee is free to leave at any time and get another job.
More than likely though they don't qualify or have skills for much more than the jobs they have. And whose fault is that ? Taxpayers should take on the burden for their lack of skills ?
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Old 01-05-2011, 08:22 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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The employee is free to leave at any time and get another job.
More than likely though they don't qualify or have skills for much more than the jobs they have. And whose fault is that ? Taxpayers should take on the burden for their lack of skills ?
You get skills by going to school either college or trade school and those cost money and not everyone has the money to attend them plus there are just not enough of those skilled based jobs for everyone.
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Old 01-05-2011, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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You get skills by going to school either college or trade school and those cost money and not everyone has the money to attend them plus there are just not enough of those skilled based jobs for everyone.
And your answer to that is higher min wages ?
How high..$20/hour for a full time job or $40/hour for p/t if they cannot find full time work ?

What is the min annual salary these folks "deserve" ?

As more and more people fall into this category there are less and less that can carry the burden via taxes.
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Old 01-05-2011, 10:20 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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And your answer to that is higher min wages ?
How high..$20/hour for a full time job or $40/hour for p/t if they cannot find full time work ?

What is the min annual salary these folks "deserve" ?

As more and more people fall into this category there are less and less that can carry the burden via taxes.
How about give people under 18 part time hours and less pay and people over 18 more hours and more pay that way you will not be paying teenagers to much and adults will have enough to live on.
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Old 01-06-2011, 11:09 AM
 
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higher minimum wage = more pain for everyone


you CAN NOT set a FEDERAL (NATIONAL) minimum wage and have it fair to everyone..therefore it is unconstitutional to have a national minimum wage
There is a difference between fair and functional. The current low minimum wage is not functional. The current high debt load is not functional as well. We need more income relative to debt. Upping the minimum wage is one way to do this. Investing in the middle class is better but the powers that be have decided not to do this so invest in the poor.
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Old 01-06-2011, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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How about give people under 18 part time hours and less pay and people over 18 more hours and more pay that way you will not be paying teenagers to much and adults will have enough to live on.
If they are both flipping burgers and neither have any skills then they deserve the same pay.

And with what you propose I can see the 16-18 crowd actually getting back all those p/t jobs that they used to rule over. Today they just can't get them because the adults have taken those jobs.
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Old 01-06-2011, 11:13 AM
 
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You get skills by going to school either college or trade school and those cost money and not everyone has the money to attend them plus there are just not enough of those skilled based jobs for everyone.
The powers that be have decided to invest in the middle class in China, India, etc. as they are going to get a much better return on their investment there relative to here. That is why there are no jobs here. In order for the economy to run the way that it has we need to replace the lost income from outsourcing jobs. Upping the minimum wage a lot will do that.
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Old 01-06-2011, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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How about give people under 18 part time hours and less pay and people over 18 more hours and more pay that way you will not be paying teenagers to much and adults will have enough to live on.
how about they work for what the going wage for that field is..and they BARGAN at the interview



minimum wage should be zero
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