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Old 11-03-2010, 05:47 AM
 
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This last election was pretty much the breaking point for me personally. The whole left right conservative democrat paradigm is stupid. How anyone can blame Obama for the mess we are in as a country or for that matter one President or one decade is just ignorant. When will we realize that the two party system has ruined and will continue to divide our country.

National debt as of right now $13.8 trillion

As a % of GNP:
2000 53%
2009 83%
2010 94.3%
2012 >100%

Another scary statistic..........

Since World War II, job growth has kept up with population growth, ranging from 10 to 20 percent per decade. The country was firmly convinced that it could continue to do so. In the last decade, the population grew by 25 million, but there were no new jobs, or at least no net job creation. But a minimum of 100,000 new jobs a month was needed just to serve those who wanted to enter the job market.
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Old 11-03-2010, 05:49 AM
 
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How many people are out of work right now in America? How many young people are colleges pumping out every 6 months looking for jobs? It's crazy. How in the world is the US economy specifically unemployment EVER going to recover when you simply look at the staggering statistics? I mean how many college kids are graduating every semester with degrees and looking of work? Just that segment a lone is mind blowing.
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Old 11-03-2010, 05:56 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The point of overprodiucing college graduates is to drive the wages down and keep the kids paying college loans forever just as was done in factory labor by legal and illegal immigration.
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Old 11-03-2010, 05:56 AM
 
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I totally agree with you. It's really frustrating seeing this endless left vs. right nonsense go on year after year. The politicians are herding us around and firing us up to divide us into seperate camps. And it's working.

The morons of the USA still fail to see through the smoke and mirrors. And they still battle it out like it's an NFL football game. This left vs. right battling will NEVER lead us anywhere good and it willnever end until people stop playing that game.
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Old 11-03-2010, 06:01 AM
 
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I totally agree with you. It's really frustrating seeing this endless left vs. right nonsense go on year after year. The politicians are herding us around and firing us up to divide us into seperate camps. And it's working.

The morons of the USA still fail to see through the smoke and mirrors. And they still battle it out like it's an NFL football game. This left vs. right battling will NEVER lead us anywhere good and it willnever end until people stop playing that game.

You' know I think you are really on to something with the whole sports analogy. No where have I seen such an obsession with sports as in America. Yes europe has their fair share of soccer hooligans and sports fanatics but it's not nearly as ingrained in their national psyche as American sports are nor does it take such prominance in the overall culture in Europe or other countries. I mean I have coworkers and people that I know that can spout off the latest stats of every NFL or NBA player over the past 20 years. But you ask them how many Senators there are or what our national debt is and they look at you like you're from another planet.
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Old 11-03-2010, 06:01 AM
 
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I totally agree with you. It's really frustration seeing this endless left vs. right nonsense go on year after year. The politicians are herding us around and firing us up to divide us into seperate camps. And it's working.

The morons of the USA still fail to see through the smoke and mirrors. And they still battle it out like it's an NFL football game. This left vs. right battling will NEVER lead us anywhere good and it willnever end until people stop playing that game.


I don't think it will help change by calling the rest of us "morons". This only contributes to the problem.

It's very easy to get on a forum and start complaining and name calling.

People will stop "playing that game" when there is a viable alternative. A revolution of sorts perhaps?

Please offer us "morons" the answer to the problem we see with the two party system and please educate us as to how we are going to "stop playing that game".
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Old 11-03-2010, 06:02 AM
 
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I guess you can choose to remain ignorant of the fact that our federal government was never designed to be empowered with this much centralized control and was in fact set up for quite the opposite.
Checks and balances, two party system and all of that. Look it up sometime in between the teachings of Marx, Mao,Lenin et al.

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Old 11-03-2010, 06:07 AM
 
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I don't think it will help change by calling the rest of us "morons". This only contributes to the problem.

It's very easy to get on a forum and start complaining and name calling.

People will stop "playing that game" when there is a viable alternative. A revolution of sorts perhaps?

Please offer us "morons" the answer to the problem we see with the two party system and please educate us as to how we are going to "stop playing that game".
People simply need to stop playing this Republcan vs. Democrat game and stop supporting both parties.

Be independent. And yes, I am definitely in favor of a peaceful revolution.
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Old 11-03-2010, 06:09 AM
 
Location: Rome, Georgia
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You' know I think you are really on to something with the whole sports analogy. No where have I seen such an obsession with sports as in America. Yes europe has their fair share of soccer hooligans and sports fanatics but it's not nearly as ingrained in their national psyche as American sports are nor does it take such prominance in the overall culture in Europe or other countries. I mean I have coworkers and people that I know that can spout off the latest stats of every NFL or NBA player over the past 20 years. But you ask them how many Senators there are or what our national debt is and they look at you like you're from another planet.
Yeah but Baseball is so.....Beautiful!
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Old 11-03-2010, 06:14 AM
 
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People simply need to stop playing this Republcan vs. Democrat game and stop supporting both parties.

Be independent. And yes, I am definitely in favor of a peaceful revolution.


Yes, I can agree to stop supporting both parties but what is the alternative? When I looked at the ballot there was no alternative other than to write in "none of the above" but what does that prove? Unless we get over half of the voters to write in "none of the above" nothing is going to change.

I admit there is much to learn. What I'm clear on is how neither party offers what this voter is looking for. However, knowing that I still do not see a viable alternative.

What is the solution? Frame it in the context of a football game? Get NFL stars to run for office?

Yes, be Independent is an answer but where are the Independent candidates? Personally, I'm not all crazy about the teaparty. Are we going to to need lots and lots of money to purchase one or is the "peaceful revolution" going to start from the grass roots? Is there a way to bring honesty, and integrity back to Washington to make Washington accountable to the people, for the people again??
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