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Old 11-15-2010, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Duluth, MN
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The title of the thread is meant to spark debate. So many times, I hear conservatives adamantly against changing the status quo.

EXAMPLES:
Free-market capitalism (let's not change that).
Health care (let's not change that).
Public Transit (let's not change that).
The way our government is run (let's not change that).
The way politicians get elected (let's not change that).
Etc., etc., etc.

There are many more I could come up with. Point is, without progressives, nothing would ever change. EVER! Realize that America was founded by a group of "radical" progressive "terrorists". Realize that great amounts of money and time and effort were put into changing many things. I don't see how a "let's just sit on our hands and do nothing" strategy ever pays off. I understand the need to be fiscally responsible. I understand the need to get rid of government "waste". But the way conservatives go about it is incredibly wrong to me. Try, just once, to look out for your fellow man/woman.

Not everyone gets a fair shake. In fact, just about nobody gets to start from an even playing field. And the main pervasive theme I gather from conservatism (personal responsibility) doesn't ring true in reality. The amount of work one puts in when compared with another very rarely equals itself. Person A works very little and gets a lot because of the position they were in to begin with while Person B works an incredible amount and has very little to show for it.

The entire system is broken and conservatives don't want to change any of it. Why? Because they like it the way it is. It helps them. Not a single average person should be supporting that. Don't vote Republican. Don't vote Democrat. Vote Progressive. Because ultimately, they're the only ones with the people in mind.
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Old 11-15-2010, 03:24 PM
 
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Reason Progressives have made the world great;

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Old 11-15-2010, 03:26 PM
 
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Reason Progressives have made the world great;

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Old 11-15-2010, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Duluth, MN
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Thanks for backing that up bluesjuke and houston. Can you give me some sound factual reasons for that. Or is it just funny to be burned with logic?
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Old 11-15-2010, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Searching n Atlanta
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Don't vote Republican. Don't vote Democrat. Vote Progressive.
Best Line I have read all day, vote for people trying to make the place different and better
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Old 11-15-2010, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Duluth, MN
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Thanks.
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Old 11-15-2010, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Fairfax, VA
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Adolf Hitler was a "progressive". He got his ideas from Woodrow Wilson.
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Old 11-15-2010, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Duluth, MN
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So was Gandhi. What's your point?
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Old 11-15-2010, 04:24 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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The title of the thread is meant to spark debate. So many times, I hear conservatives adamantly against changing the status quo.

EXAMPLES:
Free-market capitalism (let's not change that).
Health care (let's not change that).
Public Transit (let's not change that).
The way our government is run (let's not change that).
The way politicians get elected (let's not change that).
Etc., etc., etc.

There are many more I could come up with. Point is, without progressives, nothing would ever change. EVER! Realize that America was founded by a group of "radical" progressive "terrorists". Realize that great amounts of money and time and effort were put into changing many things. I don't see how a "let's just sit on our hands and do nothing" strategy ever pays off. I understand the need to be fiscally responsible. I understand the need to get rid of government "waste". But the way conservatives go about it is incredibly wrong to me. Try, just once, to look out for your fellow man/woman.

Not everyone gets a fair shake. In fact, just about nobody gets to start from an even playing field. And the main pervasive theme I gather from conservatism (personal responsibility) doesn't ring true in reality. The amount of work one puts in when compared with another very rarely equals itself. Person A works very little and gets a lot because of the position they were in to begin with while Person B works an incredible amount and has very little to show for it.

The entire system is broken and conservatives don't want to change any of it. Why? Because they like it the way it is. It helps them. Not a single average person should be supporting that. Don't vote Republican. Don't vote Democrat. Vote Progressive. Because ultimately, they're the only ones with the people in mind.
Most of the things that are broken in our country were enacted by progressives. Where do you think our broken health care system came from? Not the free market. Employer-based health insurance is a monster that was created by the government. By making employer-provided health insurance basically tax-free, "progressives", whether Republican or Democrat, doomed us to our current situation.

The housing market is another example. The Federal Reserve creates a housing bubble with easy-money policies. The bubble bursts. Oh, but here come the progressives to solve the problems created by the housing collapse! Wow, thanks. Next time, don't create a housing bubble in the first place.

The key is that the majority of politicians (from both parties) ARE progressives. They want to solve societal problems with an expanding government. They just disagree on how to do it.
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Old 11-15-2010, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Reality
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Originally Posted by saykinriseo View Post
The title of the thread is meant to spark debate. So many times, I hear conservatives adamantly against changing the status quo.

EXAMPLES:
Free-market capitalism (let's not change that).
Health care (let's not change that).
Public Transit (let's not change that).
The way our government is run (let's not change that).
The way politicians get elected (let's not change that).
Etc., etc., etc.

There are many more I could come up with. Point is, without progressives, nothing would ever change. EVER! Realize that America was founded by a group of "radical" progressive "terrorists". Realize that great amounts of money and time and effort were put into changing many things. I don't see how a "let's just sit on our hands and do nothing" strategy ever pays off. I understand the need to be fiscally responsible. I understand the need to get rid of government "waste". But the way conservatives go about it is incredibly wrong to me. Try, just once, to look out for your fellow man/woman.

Not everyone gets a fair shake. In fact, just about nobody gets to start from an even playing field. And the main pervasive theme I gather from conservatism (personal responsibility) doesn't ring true in reality. The amount of work one puts in when compared with another very rarely equals itself. Person A works very little and gets a lot because of the position they were in to begin with while Person B works an incredible amount and has very little to show for it.

The entire system is broken and conservatives don't want to change any of it. Why? Because they like it the way it is. It helps them. Not a single average person should be supporting that. Don't vote Republican. Don't vote Democrat. Vote Progressive. Because ultimately, they're the only ones with the people in mind.
To me securing our borders would be progressive, eliminating loopholes in our legal system that allow illegal aliens to vote in our elections and steal our tax dollars would be progressive. Reforming health care in a way that actually reduces costs and improves care would be progressive. Spending tax dollars on improving our transportation infrastructure instead of pork barrel spending would be progressive. Cutting our discretionary spending budget by 25% across the board, including defense would be progressive. Eliminating hundreds of special interest feeding government programs would be progressive. Instating a flat, fair consumption tax to replace income tax and sales tax would be VERY progressive.

Show me a "progressive candidate" that supports anything even close to that and I'll vote for them.
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