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Old 12-21-2010, 01:02 AM
 
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Pathetic but unsurprising.

Opinion: Obama to blink first on Social Security - Robert Kuttner - POLITICO.com

Right wingers your prayers are answered, you have a President willing to go along as you seek to dismantle middle class benefits.

""Republicans win three ways. They have a Democratic president doing their work for them, destroying the Democratic capacity to use affirmative government to address dire national problems and annihilating his own party.""
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Old 12-21-2010, 01:08 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Pathetic but unsurprising.

Opinion: Obama to blink first on Social Security - Robert Kuttner - POLITICO.com

Right wingers your prayers are answered, you have a President willing to go along as you seek to dismantle middle class benefits.
Frankly, if anyone bothered to read the original law, they'd cheer the dismantling of the whole entitlement system, ASAP.

Do not believe me - write a polite letter to your congressman, and ask:
1. Which law requires all Americans to enroll and participate in Social Security before they can work in the USA?
2. Which law punishes any American who does not enroll nor participates in the program?
3. If it is voluntary to join, what is the official procedure to volunteer out?
4. Does the participant have a property right to entitlements?
5. Does Congress have a legal obligation to pay entitlements?

If you can't wait for their answer, here's the short list:
1. No law
2. No law
3. Won't tell us
4. No property rights (no contracted benefits, unlike "real insurance")
5. No obligation to pay entitlements - entirely at the discretion of Congress. Entitlements are synonymous with "gifts".
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Old 12-21-2010, 01:25 AM
 
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Obama's Next Cave In To GOP: Cuts In Social Security Coming

yeah, what's up with that?

we should just keep kicking the can down the road, creating more programs, promising more entitlemnts, expanding government bureaucracy, enabling more dependency...

yeah, that's it! that's the answer!
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Old 12-21-2010, 01:31 AM
 
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Obama's Next Cave In To GOP: Cuts In Social Security Coming

yeah, what's up with that?

we should just keep kicking the can down the road, creating more programs, promising more entitlemnts, expanding government bureaucracy, enabling more dependency...

yeah, that's it! that's the answer!
Actually, you could just raise taxes a small amount and the long term deficit would be fixed.

You are aware that taxes currently on the middle class are the lowest in modern US history?

It would take about the same amount of money Bush spent on the Senior Prescription Plan.

Not that you would do that....you'd just prefer having your kids and grandkids go with less.
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Old 12-21-2010, 02:17 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Pathetic but unsurprising.

Opinion: Obama to blink first on Social Security - Robert Kuttner - POLITICO.com

Right wingers your prayers are answered, you have a President willing to go along as you seek to dismantle middle class benefits.

""Republicans win three ways. They have a Democratic president doing their work for them, destroying the Democratic capacity to use affirmative government to address dire national problems and annihilating his own party.""
1. Its an opinion piece.

2. If he's referring to raising the retirement age then that would be a good thing.

People are living longer, and I'd rather work till 70 and get social security than to not get anything at all. Its really quite hard to make out what he's talking about specifically about social security when its not even talked about in the article.
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Old 12-21-2010, 02:25 AM
 
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1. Its an opinion piece.

2. If he's referring to raising the retirement age then that would be a good thing.

People are living longer, and I'd rather work till 70 and get social security than to not get anything at all. Its really quite hard to make out what he's talking about specifically about social security when its not even talked about in the article.
Easy to tell you don't know anything about SS.

1 Raising the retirement age to 69 represent a 15% cut in benefits.

You''re too stingy to support a small raise the SS tax now so you'll have your kids and grandkids have their benefits cut.

2. Saying "not getting anything at all" is so far off the mark it's obvious you know nothing about the financials....

If we do NOTHING we still get 78% of benefits starting in 2037.

That's not "nothing at all"...
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Old 12-21-2010, 05:18 AM
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No matter how you look at it, the time is approaching when there will be only 2 workers for each retiree. The average working couple will in effect have their very own average retiree to support , SS + Medicare, out of their after-income-tax pay. You can raise the taxes or cut the benefits but you can't change that fundamentally unworkable relationship.
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Old 12-21-2010, 05:34 AM
 
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Um.. it was Obamas own debt commission which suggested cuts in Social Security.

Thats strike 2 for you!!!
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Old 12-21-2010, 05:38 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Um.. it was Obamas own debt commission which suggested cuts in Social Security.

Thats strike 2 for you!!!

I agree, amazingly! The long term solutions will be difficult and should include all Entitlements as well as Defense. Of course there is the need for adults to be elected, so that those conversations can take place.
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Old 12-21-2010, 05:41 AM
 
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The "Goofball in chief" is running scared.

Like any weasel, he will do anything to stay in power.
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