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Traditionally something like 87% of black people vote democrat. In the last presidential election approximately 95% of black people voted obama. Say what you want...but it appears there was more people voting for the black candidate from the same demographic.
Couple that with a very high voter turnout among black people, and stories of the 101 year old woman that had never even registered to vote but was going to vote simply because she had a chance to vote for a black man and you have a lot of evidence to suggest that race was a huge factor in getting him elected.
Not I, nor anyone elst that I can see, said "No one voted for Obama just because he was black."
What we did say was "I don't think anyone voted for Obama thinking 'well, he is bad for the economy, but he is black, so I will vote for him'"
These are 2 very different things.
I am sure many people that never voted before went out in droves to support a black man. And I think all of them thought he would make a good President. I don't think any of them thought, "this guys will SUCK" and then voted for him anyway becuase he was black.
I know some people that did vote for Obama even though they thought he sucked. But not because he was black. Because they though McCain would suck worse.
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I know some people that did vote for Obama even though they thought he sucked. But not because he was black. Because they though McCain would suck worse.
That's pretty much why I voted for him, not to put a black political hack (I don't think anyone who isn't a political hack gets a major party nomination) in the White House but to keep a fear-mongering white political hack and his ditzy running mate out.
When voting for the President, what is more important to you -- cultural issues or economic issues?
generally economic issues, but im sure that an ultra-right wing or an ultra-left winger with some really bad ideas could cause me to vote along cultural and social lines.
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A serious question. Why do Americans pick race over class when race is of no concrete or abstract benefit to him/her when dealing with economic issues at large?
I don't think that Americans, as group, pick race over class. I think Obama's election is a good example. I think that black Republican that was just elected in a South Carolina district is another good example, as is the Sikh Indian they elected governor, as well as the Louisiana governor who is indian.
but to use a different example -- take Congressman Jim Clyburn. He is a black guy who is constantly re-elected to his predominantly black district. His voting record and policy concerns are extremely narrow and "pro-black." In his situation, every policy decision is made through the lens of race. When your "economic policy" is to redistribute federal dollars among your black constituents, you can't cleanly seperate economic issues from race or cultural issues.
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I don't find either one particularly entertaining and without knowing how/why they were made (scripted in a studio? on the street? by who?) they are nothing but attempts at entertainment.
I don't find either one particularly entertaining and without knowing how/why they were made (scripted in a studio? on the street? by who?) they are nothing but attempts at entertainment.
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