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Old 05-26-2011, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Pleasant Ridge, Cincinnati, OH
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So... I don't follow... why don't you have the right to defend yourself again?
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Old 05-26-2011, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Durham, NC
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I currently live in Australia (Disclaimer: Not Australian) and the other day in Melbourne a group of Pacific Islander gang members attacked an African immigrant in a train station, the African immigrant pulled out knife and stabbed one of his attackers (who later fell onto the tracks and was hit by a train and killed). The African immigrant is currently in hospital from the attack.

The media and the police have been blaming the man who was attacked by the gang for his response and he has been charged with murder. One police officer even stated the fact that he was carrying a weapon proves that he was a violent man. That statement made me wonder if he applies that logic to the police. The fact that he had the knife may have very well saved his life and the cops have it out for him for that fact.
Talk about mixed up logic. Didn't Australians used to be well known for common sense? The African should have been given a medal. He saved his own life, caused the death of a cockroach and possibly scared the other cockroaches into rethinking their life of crime. Imagine if everyone they attacked struck back like that. Violent crime would race downward overnight.
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Old 05-26-2011, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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It is pointless to argue with the willfully ignorant,it achieves nothing.
That's what I said on the other thread where the OP referred to "that 2nd Amendment crap".

It's waste of time to deal with some products of government education.
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Old 05-26-2011, 06:26 PM
 
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It's more like the heart.

Without it, the rest doesn't matter.
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Old 05-27-2011, 09:22 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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How many anti-2A threads are there going to be without mods merging? This is getting really tiresome and boring.
.....Quite!
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Old 05-27-2011, 09:25 AM
 
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In over 230 years that this great Republic has been in existence things have changed, there are many historical curiousities that while quaint and interesting no longer serve a useful societial purpose. Even in our bodies there is the humble appendix that also seems to serve no useful purpose and all too frerquently becomes inflamed with life threatening consequenses. We undergo the knife and cut out the source of our pain and suffering. The United States Constitution and its Addendum the Bill of Rights is not imuune to having bits and pieces that history has passed by. This document is not written in stone by the finger of GOD. The Founding Fathers were not gods or demigods and would probably be the first to affriome this statement. They were men of good faith, trust and intentions and were the great comprimisers. How many of the great issues of the day were settled over a pint of Ale and a great man of letters retiring for an evening to get it all down on paper. I propose that the Second Ammendment of the Bill of Rights is just such a piece of constitutional anacronysm. It very likely serves no useful purpose! The purpose can't be to violently overthrow the US Government. We made even the mere advocacy of doing so a Federal crime in the 1950s. Do you really think the Founding Fathers intended to let citizens terminate a Presidency or a Congressman? Our stuborn refusial to control the unfettered access to firearms has cost 1 in 9 US Presidents their lives and scared the face of US history. In the same time, how many British Kings, Queens or Prime Ministers has been claimed by gunfire? It can't have anything to do with forming a well ordered militia. We have gone far beyong the day when we relied on a force of able bodied men mustered out on the town commons to protect home and hearth. Is that really practical in an age of ICBMs, Smart Bombs and unmanned drones? If this were the true purpose of the Second Ammendment we would have gun laws like the two modern states that rely on citizen militias and reservists to be the foundation of their national defense, the Israelis and the Swiss.
Like our Israeli or Swiss friends, you have a gun the authorities know who you are, where to find you and your phone number, you have to demonstrate your competence and you have to be ready to report even if the call comes at 3 am. So the only purpose the Second Ammendment and our unreasonable gun laws seem to have is to have is to provide a future Jared Loughner a way to go out in a blaze of gunfire if not the glory his twisted mind creates. Did you notice the little smile on that wild eyed face. He enjoyed it , by god he enjoyed every round he got off. It is time to chamge the Second Ammendment and our our gun laws, if not to make this a more perfect union but to ensure that the face of Jared Loughner does not become the face that the world comes to associate with America. We can do it.
The thing that led to what heppened in AZ is the fact that the fat mouthed sherrif didn't look into thid guy when he should have because his mother served on the County Board with the sherrif.
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Old 05-27-2011, 09:34 AM
 
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I am not against owning weapons. I would just like to see some comprehensive regulations that would limit gun ownership to those that are not crazy or criminal. I get tired of hearing about any type of regulation as being bad because of the 2nd amendment and at the same time I hear about massacres like Ariz.

The Marine Corps is a hard way to make a living. It would have been a lot easier to have joined the Air Force. They have much better food.
There are laws that keep guns out of criminal and mentally challenged hands. Unfortunately the Sheriff in AZ. ignored the mental problems of Laughner and kept letting him go without being arrested. That's why his record check came back clean. He was let go all the time becuase his mother served on the same board as the Sheriff.
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Old 05-27-2011, 10:38 PM
 
Location: Durham, NC
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I am not against owning weapons. I would just like to see some comprehensive regulations that would limit gun ownership to those that are not crazy or criminal. I get tired of hearing about any type of regulation as being bad because of the 2nd amendment and at the same time I hear about massacres like Ariz.

The Marine Corps is a hard way to make a living. It would have been a lot easier to have joined the Air Force. They have much better food.
You remind me of all the other bedwetters I have heard make this argument. "Comprehensive, common sense gun laws" to "keep guns out of the hands of criminals". Having been a Marine, I am surprised at you buying into it. Some of the others with this philosophy are the same people who would call you a baby killer or a tool of oppression at various times.

I challenge you again, to check out the recent violent crimes in your community; murders, rapes, beatings, robberies, etc. Most of these crimes in my community are done by repeat offenders or parole absconders. Some of the thugs are both. But I see someone arrested for a rape or shooting and "firearm by felon" is added to the charges. The thug often gets bale, even if on parole for another crime. A parolee is supposed to go right back to prison if he screws up, but he gets bail. Then he may still commit another crime before trial. Why don't I hear any outrage about this? I just hear that he shouldn't have had a gun. I say, he shouldn't have had his freedom. He should be behind bars or taking a one way trip down that long corridor. But the bedwetters never admit that. They continue to want citizens vetted to the max, while ignoring the thugs that walk among us.

Also, how about drunk drivers? They injure and kill thousands every year. Are you trying to vet who can buy liquor? How about a permit process for that? Apply and prove no drunk driving or other offense on record. Wait 30 days. Get permit & buy liquor. Have bartenders & servers vet each customer about whether they are driving later. Have a permit to buy at the store and another one for drinks at a bar or restaurant.

Lay off the gun owners, open your eyes and see what is around you.
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