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Oh but other sources have shown the exact same thing.
Post those sources then. Most likely they are simply repeating the same NYT fiction.
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Originally Posted by Memphis1979
When the TEA party was really breaking big, they were polled on several occasions to see what they supported. 80% of the TEA party supports medicare and social security in the exact same form it is now. No changes, no cuts, just the way it is now.
All the TEA party seemed to agree on is they wanted less taxes, and cuts in food stamps, welfare, and unemployment.
Most Americans like social security, thats why President Bush's plan about personalizing it failed miserably. People like the safety net, and its not going anywhere.
The current Republican party is already floating the idea of means testing and raising the limit on the social security payroll tax.
Their main base are people over the age of 60, and they know they will lose votes if they cancel social security.
The unconstitutional Democrat Ponzi Scheme, a.k.a. Social Security, needs to be abolished. The generational crimes against the American taxpayers by liberal freaks needs to put to an end, permanently.
MediCare/MedicAid is another unconstitutional liberal joke, and a crime against taxpayers. 90% of the doctors in Alaska refuse to treat MediCare/MedicAid patients. What is the point of providing medical insurance coverage when there is no treatment?
the federal budget in 1990 (under bush1) was 1.1 trillion....20 years later in 2010 (under obama) its 3.7 trillion.....nearly quadruple
we need to cut spending across the board by 5-15% a year( maybe even 20%), (to include defense...and yes to ss,medicaid,medicare,welfare,, which have all surpassed the quadrupling in the last 20 years
bring ss back to the way it was intended..stop the bs of taxing it, stop the bs of letting foreigners WHO HAVE NEVER PAID INTO IT of getting it. increase medicar (seniors) to 100% but cut the abuse and fraud), bring medicaid('poor') down to a sliding scale with a 80/20 instead of 100%, make welfare into workfare
get rid of the job killing liberal globalist policies like 'freetrade' and the highest corporate tax in the world
bring back import tarrifs so that it becomes cheaper to make the stuff here than to ship it in
actuall USE the gas tax for the roads instead of stealing it to have democratic pork bills
actuall pass a ballanced budget bill
eliminate earmarks and multi-task bills OR allow the line-item veto( ie why hace a child health care bill(earmark) attached to a transportation bill....it just doesnt make sense)
repeal the costly obamacare that does nothing to lower costs, does nothing to keep costs low, does noting to improve care, and hurts jobs...and submit a bill that makes sense....even submit many little bills.(.ie submit a singualr bill, that makes 'pre-existing' penatlies/exemptions illegal..then submit a bill that makes insurance portable..then submit ..etc)
but the fascist socialist liberals can never even figure this out..its not about taxes..its about the spending
Your post made a lot of sense to me. I really don't think either side will do the right things and cutting out benefits for seniors seems to me a way of shunting old folks aside. Benefits in Medicare are already almost neglible. My doctor is considering not taking anymore Medicare patients...he is a decent fellow and he mostly has elderly patients. I can't blame him, he has to support his family and pay off his student loans, too.
Post those sources then. Most likely they are simply repeating the same NYT fiction.
The unconstitutional Democrat Ponzi Scheme, a.k.a. Social Security, needs to be abolished. The generational crimes against the American taxpayers by liberal freaks needs to put to an end, permanently.
MediCare/MedicAid is another unconstitutional liberal joke, and a crime against taxpayers. 90% of the doctors in Alaska refuse to treat MediCare/MedicAid patients. What is the point of providing medical insurance coverage when there is no treatment?
Most Americans like social security, they like it just the way it is, and they want rich people to pay for it.
You may not like it, hell I don't like raising the limit of income level for social security without raising the payout limit, but well over 70% of Americans do, and this is a majority rule country.
cutting military spending is also cutting jobs. think about it, you terminate military projects, more engineers and manufacturers are going to be handing out pink slips.
People need to wake up and cut the fat out out of the budget, and the fat is tax cuts for the rich, not cutting jobs on people already working. Its a pretty simple, practical concept.
Lets hear a Republican say this. "I'm going to cut government spending, but it will mean more unemployed people looking for work" because thats the simple reality.
This poll simply shows that3/4's of those polled opt to trust someone else with their future more than they trust themselves. How sad is that???
Perhaps they have poor fiscal discipline and can't save on their own because they can't control their own wasteful spending enough to invest in their own IRA's and 401's?
When i think how much more my retirement would have been if I had all those dollars paid into SS back I shudder.
Americans are suckers for the free offer that really isn't free.
cutting military spending is also cutting jobs. think about it, you terminate military projects, more engineers and manufacturers are going to be handing out pink slips.
People need to wake up and cut the fat out out of the budget, and the fat is tax cuts for the rich, not cutting jobs on people already working. Its a pretty simple, practical concept.
Lets hear a Republican say this. "I'm going to cut government spending, but it will mean more unemployed people looking for work" because thats the simple reality.
Yes, but those engineers and manufacturers would turn to something else, something else that would have better benefits for the economy than military spending.
Not to mention the fact that much of the United States military spending is spent on supplying other countries with military equipment, which is simply foreign aid. The defense departments budget is so bloated that it could be cut without costing 1 American job.
Your post made a lot of sense to me. I really don't think either side will do the right things and cutting out benefits for seniors seems to me a way of shunting old folks aside. Benefits in Medicare are already almost neglible. My doctor is considering not taking anymore Medicare patients...he is a decent fellow and he mostly has elderly patients. I can't blame him, he has to support his family and pay off his student loans, too.
Medicare payments don't make sense, thats for sure. Some things don't pay near what they should. Example, checking a PT/INR (checking the efficacy of coumadin/warfarin treatment, something a lot of seniors are on) doesn't even cover the cost of equipment for my preceptor. He loses money because the payments scale is messed up.
However there are other asinine things. Example: student loan costs. Between cost of living, tuition (which continues to go up because states are cutting funding) and then all the interest, a lot of med school grads are paying out 3K PER MONTH (for 10 years)!!. Makes a lot of sense doesn't it. Then add in malpractice insurance (my current preceptor who is a PCP in a Chicago suburb, is paying out 45K per year, and he does hardly any procedures, thats just to practice in the state). So before a med school grad can provide his/her own food/shelter they have to have 81 grand!!! and thats just for a PCP, nothing special like OB/GYN or surgical specialties.
Perhaps your doctor wouldn't need to cut medicare out if reforms were made in multiple facets of the system. At the very least, expansion of student loan forgiveness for med school graduates who accept medicare, and improved medicare reimbursement for simple standard treatment items. Tort reform would be nice, but that would bother the insurance industry and lawyers........they own most of Washington on both sides of the aisle.
If you want health care to be cheaper look to that. Thats all extra money going to Wall street for interest on loans, and insurance payments. Thats a lot of people who are involved that don't need to be, or am I wrong on that??
Yes, but those engineers and manufacturers would turn to something else, something else that would have better benefits for the economy than military spending.
Not to mention the fact that much of the United States military spending is spent on supplying other countries with military equipment, which is simply foreign aid. The defense departments budget is so bloated that it could be cut without costing 1 American job.
Agreed but since we are so dependent on foreign labor and resources to make all of the cheap crap we buy, if we jump ship we'll make a lot of enemies, some of whom will be smart enough to find ways to hurt us.
I'd be willing to try Republican ideas for a few years, cut government spending. But if the private sector doesn't pick up the slack, are the conservatives going to let government reexpand??? Thats their standing point. Government is keeping big business from hiring. So lets say we cut governmentspending by huge amounts, will that really lead to unemployment dropping?? I'm doubtful.
One thing I really bet is that it if cutting spending didn't work, conservatives would obstruct, obstruct, obstruct and keep from government fixing the problems that the private sector is too impotent to fix.
[quote=tinman01;17530618]This poll simply shows that3/4's of those polled opt to trust someone else with their future more than they trust themselves. How sad is that???
Perhaps they have poor fiscal discipline and can't save on their own because they can't control their own wasteful spending enough to invest in their own IRA's and 401's?
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Then you talk about people who can't save. I have heard the conservative argument several times that if you raise the minimum wage, prices will just go up on everything. Do you agree. I think the conservatives are right about this.
Well, if you cut taxes and give people more money, costs will just go up SAME EXACT IDEA. The money won't get saved because the rent will increase or energy costs will increase or food will increase because of the market. It doesn't matter if paychecks will increase because of tax cuts or wage increases, costs will go up.
To me the poll says that 3/4 of people realize that argument. If you give them more money they will be unable to save because someone else will demand it out of them and they'll have to pay it out some way or another.
Most Americans like social security, they like it just the way it is, and they want rich people to pay for it.
You may not like it, hell I don't like raising the limit of income level for social security without raising the payout limit, but well over 70% of Americans do, and this is a majority rule country.
You are mistaken, the US is not a democracy. The US is a republic, where the tyranny of the majority has no say. See Article IV, Section 4 of the US Constitution. This is a nation of laws, and the Supreme Law of the Land does not grant Congress the power to spend taxpayer money on social re-engineering programs, much less ponzi schemes like Social Security.
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