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Old 01-21-2011, 08:19 PM
 
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Interesting stuff. According to the article about the polling, people want spending cuts, but not on entitlements--they instead supported cuts to the pentagon by a wide margin. Three quarters supported increasing payroll taxes vs. cutting benefits for Medicare and SSI. The article also went on to say that nearly half of Americans want the health care bill to stand--4 out of 10 want repeal, but many say they only want to undo part of the law.

Asked what Congress should focus on, 43 percent of Americans say job creation; health care is a distant second, cited by 18 percent, followed by deficit reduction, war and illegal immigration.

I really do think the election was about the economy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/21/us...l.html?_r=1&hp

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Old 01-22-2011, 06:48 AM
 
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No comments? I thought slashing medicare and SSI was the R plan...but that doesn't appear to fly with the majority of voters, and people are willing to pay more to keep those programs without reducing benefits. I sense a really interesting budget debate coming in the next few months...
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Old 01-22-2011, 07:23 AM
 
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No comments? I thought slashing medicare and SSI was the R plan...but that doesn't appear to fly with the majority of voters, and people are willing to pay more to keep those programs without reducing benefits. I sense a really interesting budget debate coming in the next few months...
who said 'slashing' ssi and medicare was the plan

the problem is spending

the federal budget in 1990 (under bush1) was 1.1 trillion....20 years later in 2010 (under obama) its 3.7 trillion.....nearly quadruple

we need to cut spending across the board by 5-15% a year( maybe even 20%), (to include defense...and yes to ss,medicaid,medicare,welfare,, which have all surpassed the quadrupling in the last 20 years

bring ss back to the way it was intended..stop the bs of taxing it, stop the bs of letting foreigners WHO HAVE NEVER PAID INTO IT of getting it. increase medicar (seniors) to 100% but cut the abuse and fraud), bring medicaid('poor') down to a sliding scale with a 80/20 instead of 100%, make welfare into workfare

get rid of the job killing liberal globalist policies like 'freetrade' and the highest corporate tax in the world

bring back import tarrifs so that it becomes cheaper to make the stuff here than to ship it in

actuall USE the gas tax for the roads instead of stealing it to have democratic pork bills

actuall pass a ballanced budget bill

eliminate earmarks and multi-task bills OR allow the line-item veto( ie why hace a child health care bill(earmark) attached to a transportation bill....it just doesnt make sense)


repeal the costly obamacare that does nothing to lower costs, does nothing to keep costs low, does noting to improve care, and hurts jobs...and submit a bill that makes sense....even submit many little bills.(.ie submit a singualr bill, that makes 'pre-existing' penatlies/exemptions illegal..then submit a bill that makes insurance portable..then submit ..etc)

but the fascist socialist liberals can never even figure this out..its not about taxes..its about the spending
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Old 01-22-2011, 07:28 AM
 
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Consider the source.

The New York Times is not considered to be a credible source, by anyone.
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Old 01-22-2011, 07:35 AM
 
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Interesting stuff. According to the article about the polling, people want spending cuts, but not on entitlements--they instead supported cuts to the pentagon by a wide margin. Three quarters supported increasing payroll taxes vs. cutting benefits for Medicare and SSI. The article also went on to say that nearly half of Americans want the health care bill to stand--4 out of 10 want repeal, but many say they only want to undo part of the law.

Asked what Congress should focus on, 43 percent of Americans say job creation; health care is a distant second, cited by 18 percent, followed by deficit reduction, war and illegal immigration.

I really do think the election was about the economy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/21/us...l.html?_r=1&hp
Sometimes these polls crack me up. Went into the full poll results and looked at all the questions. Like the one where they respondents knew "some" or "not much" overwhelmingly on the deficit but considered the deficit "very" important. Said they didn't want to raise taxes and then said they would later in the poll. Also said it trusted the Republicans more to reduce the deficit than Obama but viewed Obama favorably on caring about things they care about. Then, you have the one about repealing Obamacare. Says don't repeal on some of the questions and then says it will hurt the economy on another.

I think the most telling of all was that most people responded they did not know enough about either the deficit or Obamacare. Take the rest with a grain based upon that alone.
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Old 01-22-2011, 07:37 AM
 
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Consider the source.

The New York Times is not considered to be a credible source, by anyone.
Not to mention, the context of the poll and the suggested conclusions are a serious stretch in relation.
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Old 01-22-2011, 07:37 AM
 
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Cutting medicare and SSI by 15% is slashing--it certainly means reduced benefits and/or delayed start time. According to the poll they cited in the article, 3/4 of Americans would rather pay more in payroll taxes than have those programs reduced, but most (including many wealthy beneficiaries) thought the burden of increased taxes should fall on the wealthy. Also interesting--43% said the focus right now should be on job creation--only 18% on the health care debate, and less than 18% on deficit reduction. It sounds like the priorities are turning on their ear since November.

I agree on the need for spending cuts--I just think it's going to be a tough and maybe impossible sell with entitlements, especially if there's no military spending cuts proposed (the most popular option cited for cuts). People want to cut what doesn't impact them personally, but it sounds like they're willing to pay more (or have someone pay more) to keep the programs afloat.
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Old 01-22-2011, 07:38 AM
 
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Sometimes these polls crack me up. Went into the full poll results and looked at all the questions. Like the one where they respondents knew "some" or "not much" overwhelmingly on the deficit but considered the deficit "very" important. Said they didn't want to raise taxes and then said they would later in the poll. Also said it trusted the Republicans more to reduce the deficit than Obama but viewed Obama favorably on caring about things they care about. Then, you have the one about repealing Obamacare. Says don't repeal on some of the questions and then says it will hurt the economy on another.

I think the most telling of all was that most people responded they did not know enough about either the deficit or Obamacare. Take the rest with a grain based upon that alone.
I hate to tell you, but I think that's the average voter...
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Old 01-22-2011, 07:39 AM
 
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Hmmmmmm......New York Times and CBS ???

I wonder why when you look at the polling methods used, the weighted this poll according to Hispanic Origin??
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Old 01-22-2011, 07:40 AM
 
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I hate to tell you, but I think that's the average voter...
I know and it drives me nuts. When I talk to someone who claims to be independent, 9 times out of 10 they simply can't decide what they really stand for. I believe we have a few more people that are quite decided in their beliefs here on CD than you would find in everyday interactions.
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