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Old 02-06-2011, 08:51 PM
 
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The rolling blackouts now being implemented in Texas and across the country as record cold weather grips the United States are a direct consequence of the Obama administration’s agenda to lay siege to the coal industry, launch a takeover of infrastructure under the contrived global warming scam, and help usher in the post-industrial collapse of America.
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Old 02-06-2011, 08:54 PM
 
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Yes they are.

And New Mexico is trying to buy natural gas from Mexico!

What the hell have we become?
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Old 02-07-2011, 09:51 AM
 
Location: mancos
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actually the compressor stations used to run on natural gas and all was fine,but gov regs forced them to switch to elec power to be more green wich is a joke as we use coal plants here. so when the cold snap hit and everyone fired thier elec heaters the grid couldnt handle it and the gas compressors shut down. go back to running the gas compressor stations on the gas they compress and no more problems. gov regs backfire all the time here
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Old 02-07-2011, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Earth
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Calling Enron, calling the rolling brown-out folks ...
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Old 02-07-2011, 09:56 AM
 
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actually the compressor stations used to run on natural gas and all was fine,but gov regs forced them to switch to elec power to be more green wich is a joke as we use coal plants here. so when the cold snap hit and everyone fired thier elec heaters the grid couldnt handle it and the gas compressors shut down. go back to running the gas compressor stations on the gas they compress and no more problems. gov regs backfire all the time here
When doesn't the government backfire on anything? Texas's population is growing by leaps and bounds, fueled by illegal immigration of course, and the EPA needs to be axed. They are trying to pass bureaucratic rules that mimic the Kyoto Protocol because AGW treaties will never pass the US
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Old 02-07-2011, 02:26 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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First, using Prison Planet as a source is ridiculous and severely diminishes your credibility. Not that they don't have occasional good information on the site, its just that only about 20% of it has any validity whatsoever, and 80% is pure bunk.

Secondly, the Texas brown-outs (where I live) were caused by our aging and inadequate electrical grid, not by Obama's coal policies. The Energy Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT), is responsible for the power grid in the state of Texas. They essentially deliver the power to the major cities, where it is handed off to the local electrical service providers.

I used to do a lot of work with ERCOT in the IT field. Texas isn't like New York, Illinois, or even California. ERCOT is tasked with providing energy to multiple exploding population centers across the largest state in the lower 48. Particularly in west Texas, ERCOT has to transport energy across the grid covering vast expanses of desert with little or no population in order to provide electricity to El Paso and other border towns. This grid is antiquated and cannot currently support the growing population needs of Texas.

Even Texas Republican senator John Cornyn realizes this and is calling for action:
Cornyn: brownouts show need to improve Texas' power grid | Trail Blazers Blog | dallasnews.com

While I am no big fan of Obama, not everything is his fault. Each power line has a finite capacity of electricity it can carry, all the coal in the world can't increase that capacity. There was no shortage of coal-produced electricity, or even nuclear-produced energy from the Southwest Nuclear Plant. Please educated yourself before fixing blame. And conspiracy theory sites don't count as educational. I like Alex Jones, he's a very engaging guy in person, but he makes his money peddling conspiracy theory tripe to those stupid enough to believe it. Even he doesn't believe everything that is on his site, he just knows he can make a buck off it.
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Old 02-07-2011, 02:36 PM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
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The rolling blackouts now being implemented in Texas and across the country as record cold weather grips the United States are a direct consequence of the Obama administration’s agenda to lay siege to the coal industry, launch a takeover of infrastructure under the contrived global warming scam, and help usher in the post-industrial collapse of America.
It's got nothing to do with a President who's been in office for 2 years. The truth is more mundane - frozen pipes. Electric plants in Texas and NM are built to withstand long periods extreme heat (100F+) not long periods of below zero F temperatures. The case of El Paso Electric is compounded by bad management decisions and their bankruptcy in the 1990's (they had invested in real estate & furniture making plants ) that prevented major upgrades.
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Old 02-07-2011, 02:57 PM
 
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I would like to know what is the max load the power plants can produce (deliver) onto the grid, in the form of KVA, then we can add or subtract that number from the grid capability. If the grid is the problem then there should be some kind of electrical shorting going on not a simple statememt claiming that the grid cannot handle the load/line. If the grid cannot handle the load/line then we should be hearing about damage. (This is eletronics 101 folks.) Was there grid damage?

Is it Barry's fault? prob not.
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Old 02-07-2011, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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I would like to know what is the max load the power plants can produce (deliver) onto the grid, in the form of KVA, then we can add or subtract that number from the grid capability. If the grid is the problem then there should be some kind of electrical shorting going on not a simple statememt claiming that the grid cannot handle the load/line. If the grid cannot handle the load/line then we should be hearing about damage. (This is eletronics 101 folks.) Was there grid damage?

Is it Barry's fault? prob not.
I get electricity from El Paso Electric. They lost two power generation plants due to extreme cold.

"El Paso Electric Co. in the western tip of Texas is not connected to the ERCOT grid, but it also implemented rolling outages Wednesday morning after two of its power plants suffered partial shut downs due to the cold."

The rolling outages actually lasted into Friday in the El Paso-Las Cruces (NM) area.

More details on what went on across Texas here:

"In brief, extreme cold weather pushed power demand to very high winter levels. At the same time, fifty of the state’s power plants were offline due to the effects of the cold, and several others were undergoing planned maintenance. "



Texas Power Outages: A Preliminary Analysis (Cold snap brings failure–isolated ERCOT an issue) — MasterResource
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Old 02-07-2011, 03:13 PM
 
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The EPA is the EPA. The problems Texas is having started before Obama was in office.

Yes, these problems are directly the result of "green" policies, but when we lived in Texas and my husband worked for TXU, one of the biggest energy companies in the country (now Luminent--or at least is was three years ago) they had began the first phases of ten brand new coal-fired power plants across the state. In 2007, after policies forcing the likes of coal gasification and other goodies were put come into play they scrapped all but two of those plants because they didn't have the money for these new implimentations. Not sure of the status of those other eight plants as of today, but TXU was bought out by a private company shortly after it scrapped the plans.

At the same time the Texas population has grown and grown, which was the original and main reason for the new plants. A couple were to replace old ones. Planners knew rolling brown-outs would become commonplace in upcomming years, but thanks to the EPA you fine folks south of the Red River are going to suffer in both Winters and Summers to come.

I'm not a fan of Obama, but this ball started rolling long before he came to office. Until people open their eyes and their brains and realize CO2 isn't the enemy that money-hungry environmentalists and politicians have made it out to be, these types of problems will spread from state to state, as our power plants get older and energy companies can't afford what the Washington bureaucrats force upon them.

Until we start to stand up and fight back (figuratively--I'm not enciting violence) they will continue to push their agenda. It's up to us, folks. Always has been, always will be.
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