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Old 02-21-2011, 12:44 PM
 
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Go ahead and post the whole sentence you take a few words from so as to make it sound a bit more true. I had to go back and read that statement by me to make sure that I didn't say what your "quote" said.
My point still stands.

You think anyone that doesn't believe we are about to be subjected to Sharia law, anyone that doesn't exhibit a generalized prejudice against Islam, anyone that doesn't take a simplistic, us vs. them, black vs. white stance must want Muslim extremists to take over the country.

It's ridiculous.
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Old 02-21-2011, 12:46 PM
 
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So you really think you can help them gain control and then be treated like something more than the dhimmi they will make of you?
Roy, do you know what a straw man argument is?

Because the above is a perfect example of one.

Your factual premise is that "you can help them gain control."

That premise is false. It is, in fact, a lie.
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Old 02-21-2011, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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My point still stands.

You think anyone that doesn't believe we are about to be subjected to Sharia law, anyone that doesn't exhibit a generalized prejudice against Islam, anyone that doesn't take a simplistic, us vs. them, black vs. white stance must want Muslim extremists to take over the country.

It's ridiculous.
Maybe you could take a tiny peak at my link. Here it is.

Anjem Choudary to lead White House protest calling for Muslims to 'rise up' | Mail Online
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Old 02-21-2011, 12:49 PM
 
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That has nothing to do with what I wrote, or the point I made about you falsely accusing your fellow Americans of colluding with radical Muslims.
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Old 02-21-2011, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I would have to guess that you haven't heard. read, or seen any Muslims talking like that. Since you haven't seen any of that I might suggest that you take a tiny peak at that link I had there. You can see the words of Choudary and the others that will be with him, if they can all get in the US, and surely you will be able to see their words. Go ahead and look at the link so you can be introduced to that kind of speech.

I will make it easier for you to see at least the headline to the article. You don't even have to go to post 1.

Anjem Choudary to lead White House protest calling for Muslims to 'rise up' | Mail Online

I've seen that kind of speech from radicals and extremist's all over the political map, from ultra-righties to ultra-lefties, from fundamentalist Christian's to Jihadist's, from the GOP to the Democrats, but I don't act as if any of them are extreme threats to the country. Do you? If so, you must be wallowing in a bath of fear 24/7.

Why don't I take them seriously? Because they're NOT a serious threat simply because they don't have either the numbers, the support or the law on their side. They're just bomb throwers and not something worth my staying up at night thinking about.

By the way, I recall when Nikita Khruschev said, "We will bury you," and the frightened sheep went to looking for Communist's in every closet. Guess what? His prediction never came true, did it? And, unlike radical Muslim's, the Soviet Union had the capability to actually do it.
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Old 02-21-2011, 01:06 PM
 
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That has nothing to do with what I wrote, or the point I made about you falsely accusing your fellow Americans of colluding with radical Muslims.
Make sure that you don't open that link because the headlines are pretty large and you may well learn something about what is said in the headline. Oh well, you have no desire to do that, do you?
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Old 02-21-2011, 01:11 PM
 
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I've seen that kind of speech from radicals and extremist's all over the political map, from ultra-righties to ultra-lefties, from fundamentalist Christian's to Jihadist's, from the GOP to the Democrats, but I don't act as if any of them are extreme threats to the country. Do you? If so, you must be wallowing in a bath of fear 24/7.

Why don't I take them seriously? Because they're NOT a serious threat simply because they don't have either the numbers, the support or the law on their side. They're just bomb throwers and not something worth my staying up at night thinking about.

By the way, I recall when Nikita Khruschev said, "We will bury you," and the frightened sheep went to looking for Communist's in every closet. Guess what? His prediction never came true, did it? And, unlike radical Muslim's, the Soviet Union had the capability to actually do it.
Do you not realize that very radical Muslims have the ability to shut down most of our oil supply or force us to go to Venezuela, at the very least. I guess you don't know where most of our Middle East oil comes from.

Do you not know that some Middle Eastern countries own large parts of our nation? I am sure that you don't realize what the Muslims in the UK have accomplished very recently in the UK and other European nations like France and Germany. I think that once you have seen a thing happen elsewhere and can't see the possibility here you are too much like I keep saying.
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Old 02-21-2011, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Do you not realize that very radical Muslims have the ability to shut down most of our oil supply or force us to go to Venezuela, at the very least. I guess you don't know where most of our Middle East oil comes from.
I guess you don't know that the huge majority of our imported oil comes from Canada and Mexico. We get very little from the ME.

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Do you not know that some Middle Eastern countries own large parts of our nation?
So do the Germans and the British and the Chinese and the Japanese. What's that got to do with anything? Are the German's about to force us to convert to Luthernism? Or, the Brit's Anglicanism? Or the Japanese Shinto?

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I am sure that you don't realize what the Muslims in the UK have accomplished very recently in the UK and other European nations like France and Germany.
Yes, I know that. But, I also know that their situations are not like ours at all. And, I know that none of them have our Constitution.

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I think that once you have seen a thing happen elsewhere and can't see the possibility here you are too much like I keep saying.
The possibility? Sure, anything is possible. Heck, it's possible that we might all be forced to convert to Mormonism if Mitt Romney gets to the White House or Glenn Beck has his way, but I kinda doubt it, don't you?

I said all that to make this point: Adherents and practioner's of other religions have the same bomb throwers, even more numbers, more money and more influence in this country than do Muslim's, yet it's only the Muslim's you're afraid of. Why? What makes them so frightening to you?

And, I'd like to ask a question: Just HOW are they going to "take over" America and force Sharia onto us? Let's hear the nuts and bolts, the strategies and tactics for actually doing it. If you don't know, then guess so we'll have a basis for discussion. Please, no more links to bleating sheep websites: Let's hear some specifics.

After all, without a specific plan for achieving it, I could stand up in front of the TV camera and claim I'll someday be King of World too, but it won't mean anything until I have a plan and put it into action, will it?
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Old 02-21-2011, 03:12 PM
 
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I suspect that Mr. Choudary will be extremely disappointed in the amount of support that he will be shown by the Muslim community.
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Old 02-21-2011, 03:15 PM
 
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How is this terrorist being allowed into the US?
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