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Old 03-16-2014, 10:03 AM
 
Location: St. Louis
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/16/us...anted=all&_r=1

...a little late, but progress none the less.
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Old 03-16-2014, 10:10 AM
 
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This idea that President Obama is a drag on Democrats makes no logical sense from a factual standpoint.

The two times that President Obama was running for office which again if a person is being logically consistent should be the time that President Obama is the greatest drag on the Democratic party right?

Both times Candidate/President Obama was on the ballot, the Democrats won the Presidency, and picked up seats in the both the Senate and the House.
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Old 03-16-2014, 10:11 AM
 
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And?

Obamacare might be a disaster and the GOP probably will take the Senate in November, but do you honestly think anything substantially different will happen after that with Obama still in the Oval Office?

Besides, come 2016 I would bet that the Dems keep the Presidency, retake the Senate, and make a dent in the House too. The GOP doesn't do well in national elections anymore. The electorate is becoming more and more diverse with each passing year and the GOP simply doesn't have the numbers to win with only the white vote anymore (and they never will again).

Take off the partisan specs for a second and grasp reality here....

P.S. I think most of us can say that we know that Obamacare won't be here for long anyways and that it'll probably be replaced by a single-payer system or something of the sort. The health care system of old is gone and never coming back again. Single-payer is the cheapest, and most efficient way for the government to cover everyone. Plus, it'd simplify our extremely complex health care system. This is the route that the government will eventually take, like it or not.
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Old 03-16-2014, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado
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Hopefully the Greed Sector will be removed from healthcare and it will go non-profit, but it is great to see that more people now have more affordable options for health insurance due to the Affordable Care Act. Kudos to the president for taking action.
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Old 03-16-2014, 10:18 AM
 
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I doubt the great leader will be invited to politic for many up for election this year. He is a dead turd.........everybody knows it except his swooners.
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Old 03-16-2014, 10:19 AM
 
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Hopefully the Greed Sector will be removed from healthcare and it will go non-profit, but it is great to see that more people now have more affordable options for health insurance due to the Affordable Care Act. Kudos to the president for taking action.
You are lost........or in Canada.
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Old 03-16-2014, 10:20 AM
 
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I guess we can now lump the NYTimes in with Fox News.
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Old 03-16-2014, 10:46 AM
 
Location: St. Louis
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And?

Obamacare might be a disaster and the GOP probably will take the Senate in November, but do you honestly think anything substantially different will happen after that with Obama still in the Oval Office?

Besides, come 2016 I would bet that the Dems keep the Presidency, retake the Senate, and make a dent in the House too. The GOP doesn't do well in national elections anymore. The electorate is becoming more and more diverse with each passing year and the GOP simply doesn't have the numbers to win with only the white vote anymore (and they never will again).

Take off the partisan specs for a second and grasp reality here....

P.S. I think most of us can say that we know that Obamacare won't be here for long anyways and that it'll probably be replaced by a single-payer system or something of the sort. The health care system of old is gone and never coming back again. Single-payer is the cheapest, and most efficient way for the government to cover everyone. Plus, it'd simplify our extremely complex health care system. This is the route that the government will eventually take, like it or not.

Partisan specs? Pot, meet kettle.
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Old 03-16-2014, 10:48 AM
 
Location: St. Louis
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This idea that President Obama is a drag on Democrats makes no logical sense from a factual standpoint.
Let me help you here. His poll numbers are extremely low, in the 30's now. His signature accomplishment is a healthcare law that is a disaster.

Do you logically see now from a factual standpoint why he is a drag on democrats?
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Old 03-16-2014, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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I doubt the great leader will be invited to politic for many up for election this year. He is a dead turd.........everybody knows it except his swooners.
They discussed this on one of the Sunday morning shows this morning. It was amusing to watch Ds deflect and try to put up a positive spin. Totally laughable.
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