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""Fascism is a system in which the government leaves nominal ownership of the means of production in the hands of private individuals but exercises control by means of regulatory legislation and reaps most of the profit by means of heavy taxation. In effect, fascism is simply a more subtle form of government ownership than is socialism."" Mussolini
Gee.......funny it works in most of the developed world and at HALF the per patient cost than we currently spend!!!!!! WE spend the most now; yet our life expectancy is relatively low. We rank 37th in the world in health care effectiveness.
Hmm. An interesting piece by 70Ford. I am not sure what to make of it. No single sentence followed by a link to Wikipedia, or to youtube. Just an expression of personal thoughts.
Gee. I....I liked reading it. Imagine. A person actually articulated thoughts. Expressed a little outrage. All without a single link to some other person's thoughts.
Back when former president Clinton was proposing universal health care, I tended to be against it. I was also against the Republican insistence that the proposed health care bill be mandatory for all (which Mr. Clinton resisted). Odd how times change.
Anyway, years have passed. I, as part of my job, see countless pages of medical reports from our local county hospital, generated by countless uninsured people seeking help for every ailment imaginable: sore throats to thyroid cancer. I have seen hundreds if not thousands of MRI scans ordered (sometimes due to the uninsured person citing a headache), lumbar mylograms (back pain), x-rays (as common as the stars in the heavens), blood tests, you name it.
Who pays for these tests and other health care provided to those without insurance? Well, on my annual property tax statement, I am assessed 22.7897 cents per $100 valuation for the Tarrant County Hospital District.
The way I see it, the so called "Obamacare" is trying to shift the burden of paying for the uninsured to the insurance companies. Part of the deal is that the uninsured will become insured, and start paying some towards their health care. No longer will it be the sole responsibility of the real property owners (or even renters, since the owner of the property passes the tax expense to the rentor).
While the present health bill is not perfect (!!!) at least it is a step in the direction of trying to fix something that is not really working.
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Gee.......funny it works in most of the developed world and at HALF the per patient cost than we currently spend!!!!!! WE spend the most now; yet our life expectancy is relatively low. We rank 37th in the world in health care effectiveness.
I see you provided NO LINKS to back up your claims...TYPICAL!!!!!
Hehehehe. I was going to write, "National heath care will destroy the United States, just as it has made all other countries with it spontaneously combust and shoot screaming off into Space.", but I didn't think it would fit.
Gee.......funny it works in most of the developed world and at HALF the per patient cost than we currently spend!!!!!! WE spend the most now; yet our life expectancy is relatively low. We rank 37th in the world in health care effectiveness.
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yet our life expectancy is relatively low.
difference between us and the highest is....1.3 years ...is that realivily low
and the reason...
is not health care
its....
LIFE STYLE (especially EATING, and EXERCISE)
btw
asians have the HIGHEST life span...and FEMALE ASIAN AMERICANS have the highest life expectancy IN THE WORLD
correction...mussolini was anti- EUROPEAN LIBERAL of the 1930's....ie today's REAGAN CONSERVATIVES
Okay, so, you think liberals are corporations first, no union/collective barganining/right to strike, anti-communism, anti-Marxist, anti-socialism, for strong military...
Okay, so, you think liberals are corporations first, no union/collective barganining/right to strike, anti-communism, anti-Marxist, anti-socialism, for strong military...
Good. Now go read up a little on Fascism.
oh my gawd, where to start
the government is a corporation
unions are corporations
I have no problem with PRIVATE unions...but PUBLIC unions should not have barganing power over taxpayer monies
and yes many liberals are PRO-nationalism
One major "socialist" reform of the economy that is still a misty ideal to modern-day Leftists Mussolini actually carried out. He attempted to centralize control of industry by declaring a "Corporate State" which divided all Italian industry up into 22 "corporations". In these corporations both workers and managers were supposed to co-operate to run industry together -- but under Fascist guidance, of course. The Corporate State was supposed to ensure social justice and give the workers substantial control of industry.
And in 1933 Mussolini even promised that the National Council of Corporations would eventually replace the Parliament! Surely the ultimate unionist's dream! And the Chamber of Fasces and Corporations created in 1939 largely fulfilled that promise. Since Mussolini had dictatorial powers by then it was largely tokenism but it nonetheless showed how Leftist his propaganda was.
"""Therefore I desire that this assembly shall accept the revindication of national trades unionism""" mussolinni ..pro-union
even when mussolini spoke of 'liberalism'..The "Liberalism" he refers to here would of course be called "Neo-liberalism" today -- the politics of Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan. Mussolini opposed such politics and so do Leftists today.
so when he says..""Fascism has taken up an attitude of complete opposition to the doctrines of Liberalism, both in the political field and in the field of economics""...he is not talking about american progressive liberals..he is talking about american conservatism
F.D. Roosevelt, found in Mussolini's policies part of his inspiration for the semi-socialist "New Deal" and referred to Mussolini in 1933 as "that admirable Italian gentleman". Mussolini was plausible to an amazingly wide range of people -- not the least to the people of Italy.
And Roosevelt and his political allies practiced what they preached. As UPI financial journalist Martin Hutchinson has pointed out, the USA in the 1940s was a place "with price controls, government licensing of transportation, state intervention in the steel and auto industries, interest rates that were set by Treasury fiat and a capital market in which banks were not allowed to operate. Also a "democracy" in which electoral districts were wildly unequal and 15 percent of the population was denied the vote." By modern-day standards the USA of that time had considerable Fascist elements too. American Leftism was Fascist even then.
In 1954, Hofstadter chided those who had worried about "several close parallels" between FDR's N.R.A. and fascist corporatism. There are more than "several" parallels. In 1944, John T. Flynn made the case in As We Go Marching, where he enumerated the stigmata of generic fascism, surveyed the interwar policies of Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany, and pointed to uncomfortably similar American policies. For Flynn, the hallmarks of fascism were: 1) unrestrained government; 2) an absolute leader responsible to a single party; 3) a planned economy with nominal private ownership of the means of production; 4) bureaucracy and administrative "law"; 5) state control of the financial sector; 6) permanent economic manipulation via deficit spending; 7) militarism, and 8) imperialism (pp. 161-62). He proceeded to show that all these were alive and well under the wartime New Deal administration (pp. 166-258). Pragmatic American liberalism had produced "a genteel fascism" without the ethnic persecutions and full-scale executive dictatorship seen overseas.
There is practically no feature of modern-day Leftism that was not prefigured by Mussolini. It is clear from the many quotations and reports that are available (only a fraction of which are reproduced here) that Mussolini was very much a kindred spirit of modern-day Leftists. It is therefore hilarious that Leftists now use the name of his movement as their routine term of abuse! Ignorance of history does indeed lead to some strange follies.
He started out as such a radical unionist firebrand and Marxist agitator that he was often jailed for his pains. But as he matured he moved towards somewhat more moderate politics which saw him win power by political rather than by revolutionary means. Modern day Leftists seem to be the same. The young go out demonstrating against globalization and the like while older Leftists exert their efforts within the framework of conventional democratic politics -- via the major Leftist political parties.
And no-one was a more ardent advocate of government provision of basic services than Mussolini was -- and he actually put those ideas into practice on a large scale as well. And he also instituted a "welfare state" that was very advanced for the times.
In his "corporate state", Mussolini was the first to create that very modern phenomenon constantly now being advocated by Leftists everywhere -- a system of capitalism under tight government control. And his corporate state was one where the workers had (at least in theory) equal rights with management. He actually put into full-blown practice what is still a great but rather misty ideal for most Leftists.
You think health care is the deciding factor.
We are broken, you must think we have something left to save.
America is DONE! Its time to start over and hope we have enough land left after we given it to china to pay back our debit.
FREEDOM and the constitution and good people in government interested in preserving freedom were voted out for those who wanted to promise everything and do everything at the cost of our individual freedoms and rights.
correction...mussolini was anti- EUROPEAN LIBERAL of the 1930's....ie today's REAGAN CONSERVATIVES
at least TRY to tell the truth..I know its hard for you progressives
I think you're misunderstanding what it mean to be a Fascist, like really off. Where are you getting this info? You gotta pick one, the left can't be Fascist and Communist. We can't be foreign illegal-loving hippies, but ultra-nationalistic supremacist. We can't love the corporate model but wanna spread the wealth too.
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