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Old 03-17-2011, 12:58 PM
 
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Moving for a stay of enforcement of a court decision is normal, and to be expected when a case is being appealed. For example, how can the Obama administration obey this court's order, when there are three other district courts that have declared the health care reform legislation constitutional? The government literally cannot obey each court's orders at the same time, therefore requesting a stay pending appeal is entirely appropriate.
What do they have to obey if it is found constitutional? Nothing.

Just like not getting a ticket....do not have to do anything,

However, a judge has found it UNconstitutional....Obama should obey the law....and not act like a little child....
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Old 03-17-2011, 01:06 PM
 
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What do they have to obey if it is found constitutional? Nothing.

Just like not getting a ticket....do not have to do anything,

However, a judge has found it UNconstitutional....Obama should obey the law....and not act like a little child....
The Department of Justice could just as easily say that they're obeying the three district courts that have declared the law constitutional, and that to "obey" Judge Vinson would mean violating the other three courts. Moving for a stay is entirely appropriate under those circumstances. Parties to litigation do that all the time when appealing an adverse lower court ruling. It's not acting like a child at all, but acting within the bounds of the law!

Your ticket analogy is false. It would be more apt if you said that one traffic court said your ticket was unlawfully given and should be torn up, but another traffic court said that ticket was lawfully given and has to be paid. You're within your rights to ask not to pay the ticket until a higher court resolves the dispute.
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Old 03-17-2011, 01:08 PM
 
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When did a 3rd judge say it was constitutional?
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Old 03-17-2011, 01:10 PM
 
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What do they have to obey if it is found constitutional? Nothing.

Just like not getting a ticket....do not have to do anything,

However, a judge has found it UNconstitutional....Obama should obey the law....and not act like a little child....
Like others have said, the case isn't over yet, and getting a stay under these kinds of circumstances is standard.
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Old 03-17-2011, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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When did a 3rd judge say it was constitutional?
Feb 23, I think. U.S. Dis*trict Court Judge Gladys Kessler.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/26/opinion/26sat2.html
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Old 03-17-2011, 01:15 PM
 
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Judge Moon in Liberty University v. Geithner

Judge Kessler in Mead v. Holder

Judge Steeh in Thomas More Law Center, et al., v. Obama, et al.

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Old 04-25-2011, 11:41 AM
 
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Scotus refuses to fast-track.

Healthcare law: Supreme Court won't bypass lower courts on healthcare - latimes.com (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/sc-dc-court-healthcare-20110425,0,7998978.story - broken link)
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Old 04-25-2011, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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Scotus refuses to fast-track.

Healthcare law: Supreme Court won't bypass lower courts on healthcare - latimes.com (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/sc-dc-court-healthcare-20110425,0,7998978.story - broken link)
Well, well, this court finally got something right. Awesome news - thanks for sharing it!
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Old 04-25-2011, 12:02 PM
 
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Well, well, this court finally got something right. Awesome news - thanks for sharing it!
They haven't gotten anything right or wrong. It would have been a rare exception for the Court to hear this case before it had properly worked its way through the appellate system. Celebration by either side would be a bit premature.
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Old 04-25-2011, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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They haven't gotten anything right or wrong. It would have been a rare exception for the Court to hear this case before it had properly worked its way through the appellate system. Celebration by either side would be a bit premature.
I beg to disagree. They were right to refuse to hear this case and not skip over the Appellate Court. In essence, what this refusal indicates is that the Court doesn't find that there's anything about the Healthcare Reform Act that makes it of "imperative public importance" as to "require immediate determination" by the high court. It was the right call, and I'm free to "celebrate" that if I choose.

I'm not so uninformed as to think this has any reflection on how they might ultimately rule, so there's nothing "premature" about being glad they're following standard legal protocol here and not fast-tracking it. Fast-tracking it would have been wrong, and I'm fairly certain you'd have been decrying it, even if it is within the rules of the court to do so under certain circumstances. This case doesn't fit those circumstances and they made the right call in acknowledging that.

And for that, they get my kudos.
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