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Old 03-29-2011, 08:16 AM
 
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Wow, so much anger just because the current President embarrasses the last one so much.
Actually Obama vindicated Bush last night. If humanitarian reasons justify attacking another country then Iraq had them in spades. Saddam didn't just threaten to massacre his own people, as Gadhafi did, but he made an art of it. Hundreds of thousands of his "enemies" in mass graves, attacking Kurds with chemical and/or biological weapons, rape rooms, limbs shoved down wood chippers, etc. Using Obama's rationale for attacking Libya Bush was completely justified in going after Saddam.
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Old 03-29-2011, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Obama is getting from left and right. The left because all war activity is bad, the right because all Obama is bad.
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Old 03-29-2011, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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So refreshing to watch and listen to an articulate, intelligent president make the case for the short campaign to support NATO in Libya. He's full of character and substance, doesn't hide the ball, precisely expressed the mission in clear terms, and defined the parameters that were met. We didn't go to war with Libya. We supported NATO in helping other allies by lending short-term support. What a stark difference from the acts of the village idiot from Texas. In essence, the president did what Republicans prayed that he wouldn't do: succeeded. Another exceptional speech!

By comparison, the shameful Republican George Bush lied to go to WAR then indicated through Rumsfeld that the "shock and awe" display would last a few weeks. An incredible flaw in the conservative ideology to pompously presume that such a quick show of military force would be more than enough to change the ideology of those proud people. When it obviously didn't work, to continue the ineffective, misguided, and excessive campaign while this country was bleeding to death...was unforgiveable.

Face it Pubs, this president is too much for your nonsense and has thus far proven to be an effective leader. Life is precious. Don't waste it being in denial.
Nothing like waiting until after the fact to let us know he got us into a new war.

Where to begin?

First off, 0bama was not displaying leadership, and was not articulate with the American people, while he spent a month dithering on whether to intervene in Libya's civil war, he then compounds matters by dithering for over a week before speaking to the nation about why he involved our country in a new war.

Secondly, Libya is in the middle of its own civil war. Libya has not attacked the US, not threatened US citizens, and has not involved any other country in its civil war. This was completely and utterly an internal Libyan matter. Is it now US policy, that whenever we see a civil war, that we choose sides, and send in our military and aid our chosen faction?

Joe Biden threatened immediate actions to impeach Bush, IF Bush dared to do exactly what 0bama just did. Even 0bma himself, said that no president has the authority to do exactly what 0bama just did. So, to recap - 0bama and Biden said no president has the authority to do what 0bama has done, and Biden said it is an impeachable offense.

So, to summarize. Both our president and vice president have said what 0bama is doing is not authorized, is an impeachable offensive, and we started a war with Libya even though it was not a threat to the US or its neighbors.

OBAMA: "Some nations may be able to turn a blind eye to atrocities in other countries. The United States of America is different. And as president, I refused to wait for the images of slaughter and mass graves before taking action."

Large scale violence and even genocide against civilians has been escalating elsewhere around the world, without any U.S. military intervention, are we to anticipate US intervention now? The thousands of dead in Sudan is not a guess from 0bama about what might happen, it already has happened.

OBAMA: "And tonight, I can report that we have stopped Gadhafi's deadly advance."

Simply saying it, does not make it so. Libyan rebels pushed back from Gadhafi hometown (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/af_libya - broken link)
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Old 03-29-2011, 08:21 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Obama is getting from left and right. The left because all war activity is bad, the right because all Obama is bad.
And yet you still cling to your support of him...maybe we should call you Baghdad Bob???
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Old 03-29-2011, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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Obama is getting from left and right. The left because all war activity is bad, the right because all Obama is bad.
No, not all war activity is bad, just the three wars we're currently in happen to be bad. Libya may be the worst of them yet, a completely unnecessary war with no redeeming qualities. America's broke, they want to take healthcare, social security, unions, education, they want to take all of that away because we're broke. But it's funny how there's always money for bombs and bullets, but never money for books and band aids.
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Old 03-29-2011, 08:22 AM
 
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And yet you still cling to your support of him...maybe we should call you Baghdad Bob???
It only indicates to me that he's acting on facts and logic, and not one some slavish, stupid adherence to ideology.

You should be glad.
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Old 03-29-2011, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Obama is getting from left and right. The left because all war activity is bad, the right because all Obama is bad.
There is a proper way to involve the US military in a war, and 0bama has chosen the improper and irresponsible way, which is why both sides are against him on this.
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Old 03-29-2011, 08:24 AM
 
Location: bold new city of the south
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The content of the speech consisted of words formed to create vague rhetoric. Take one part patriotic phase and combine with 2 cups moral obligation to create fresh baked 3 week old Obamabread.

Mr Obama apparently has ordered all his 3am calls to be put on hold. Not sure in which time standard he operates as lags behind on every issue.

Reminds me of a hound dog that runs silent. He might have treed a critter but he's not telling anyone.

Obama has no sense of urgency with regard to informing the public as to his decisions. It is only in retrospect and with reluctance that he ever addresses the citizens. This gives the impression he finds the citizenry irrelevant to his purpose. Taken together with the Obamacare and Pelosi saying you 'have to pass it to see what's in it', this gives the impression we are children riding in Obama's back seat as he drives the car off the cliff.


That's not his fault!
He has to wait until someone tells him what to say.

This is clear, it has been evident since the first day.
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Old 03-29-2011, 08:25 AM
 
Location: North America
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No,he didn't declare war,he just is bombing the crap out of another nation with airpower....but declaring war he is not.

I thought not...
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Old 03-29-2011, 08:26 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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It only indicates to me that he's acting on facts and logic, and not one some slavish, stupid adherence to ideology.

You should be glad.
What facts and logic?
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