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There's a whole passel of respected mental helath professionals out there who feel that neither Asperger's or Autism actually exist; or that at the very least they are both egregiously over-diagnosed. A woman trainer I know and used to work with (who also has her MA in Education) has about an 80% success rate over the past few years from treating alleged Asperger and Autism clients with a regimen of diet and exercise, much to the suprise and wonder (and eternal gratitude) of their parents.
Also, many kids mid-diagnosed with Asperger's are simply suffering from maladaptive social skills. Or they're acting-out because of parental guidance problems. Doubt it? Riddle me this: why is the percentage of Asperger kids who come from broken or dysfunctional homes so damn high? (we're talking about 70%!)
Of course, alot of kids from lousy homes suffer nutritionally; which brings us nucely back to what I said about my trainer friend's success.
But most parents of these kids are loathe to admit the fault may at least in part lie with them, so having these kids diagnosed with a fancy sounding, albeit bogus disease assuages guilt.
I am the first to admit that Asperger's gets overdiagnosed. I did NOT want to have that diagnosis but finally after three doctors saying the same thing I had to just accept it. A lot of parents and teens jump on the diagnosis--there's no doubt about that.
That said, just because there are professionals who don't believe in it doesn't mean it's not real. There are professionals who believe homosexuality is a mental illness. There are professionals who believe that teaching deaf children how to sign will harm their language skills. There are professionals who believe all sorts of things that have been extensively researched and proven wrong time and time again. Even professionals are human and are capable of being wrong sometimes.
There's a whole passel of respected mental helath professionals out there who feel that neither Asperger's or Autism actually exist; or that at the very least they are both egregiously over-diagnosed. A woman trainer I know and used to work with (who also has her MA in Education) has about an 80% success rate over the past few years from treating alleged Asperger and Autism clients with a regimen of diet and exercise, much to the suprise and wonder (and eternal gratitude) of their parents.
Also, many kids mid-diagnosed with Asperger's are simply suffering from maladaptive social skills. Or they're acting-out because of parental guidance problems. Doubt it? Riddle me this: why is the percentage of Asperger kids who come from broken or dysfunctional homes so damn high? (we're talking about 70%!)
Of course, alot of kids from lousy homes suffer nutritionally; which brings us nucely back to what I said about my trainer friend's success.
But most parents of these kids are loathe to admit the fault may at least in part lie with them, so having these kids diagnosed with a fancy sounding, albeit bogus disease assuages guilt.
That is strange because in each of the cases where these kids i know have been diagnosed by a Doctor, they come from loving wonderful families, not dysfunctional. Too many times aspergers is not diagnosed properly, and if not done right with the right testing, forget about it.
This is much more then a condition of maladaptive social skills much more, to the point that some do not have any social skills at all. So I am going to put you in charge with the Doctor, that just diagnosed my nephew, are you going to argue the fact with him that he is wrong. Infact, i can get his number for you this evening, get in touch with him please, he will be happy to tell you about the so far only 100 tests that have been done, and soon more to come, he will tell you how he came to his findings, you can argue the fact with the Doctor, and tell him he is making this all up.
He is in L.A. CALIFORNIA a specialists at his job, and the number one Doctor out here, in diagnosing childlren with aspergers.
And you know for not being real, all you have to do is a search to know that Aspergers, and Autisim are real, might learn something about it.
This Doctor would love for you to prove him wrong, because he is a specialists in this field, and people from all over California come to this center.
Oh and Diet and Exercise does not bring their fine motor skills back, or helps them know how to make complete sentences, or how to make a facial expression.
Last edited by california-jewel; 04-02-2011 at 11:11 PM..
There's a whole passel of respected mental helath professionals out there who feel that neither Asperger's or Autism actually exist; or that at the very least they are both egregiously over-diagnosed. A woman trainer I know and used to work with (who also has her MA in Education) has about an 80% success rate over the past few years from treating alleged Asperger and Autism clients with a regimen of diet and exercise, much to the suprise and wonder (and eternal gratitude) of their parents.
Also, many kids mid-diagnosed with Asperger's are simply suffering from maladaptive social skills. Or they're acting-out because of parental guidance problems. Doubt it? Riddle me this: why is the percentage of Asperger kids who come from broken or dysfunctional homes so damn high? (we're talking about 70%!)
Of course, alot of kids from lousy homes suffer nutritionally; which brings us nucely back to what I said about my trainer friend's success.
But most parents of these kids are loathe to admit the fault may at least in part lie with them, so having these kids diagnosed with a fancy sounding, albeit bogus disease assuages guilt.
great you can find some scientist to tell you that cars are good for the environment. doesn't make it true.
My mom's a special ed teacher who has extensively studied and worked with people all up and down the autism spectrum.
Asperger's is definitely real. So is ADHD. Both are overdiagnosed. My mom has had to work with kids who can barely function normally and just plain don't get social norms even though everyone else in their family is a true-blue socialite (she works for a wealthy school). They were socialized exactly like their total-babe older sister and homecoming-king younger brother, and their parents are absolutely terrified that no matter what they try, their kids can't learn the social skills that have been the hallmark of their family for generations. It's not a situation where they were a bunch of namby-pamby sissies who told their kids it was absolutely fine to disregard social bylaws and obssess about a seemingly trivial pursuit.
Once when I was visiting back home, I picked my mom up from her job and brought my girlfriend, who was Japanese-American. As she did all through my teens, she wanted to introduce me and my gf to her students. I walk in and say hi, and three of the students immediately start greeting me. Then, one of them says, "Are you a lesbian?" to her. "Your hair looks like a lesbian haircut. Lesbians are really cool!" She had short hair, like an Asian lesbian who worked at the school. Then, he waited with a big smile for an answer.
Find out later from my mom, the kid's dad is the CEO of a major financial firm. Can you imagine how much they'd like to be able to bring thier kid to social functions without committing a social faux pas like the one he'd just committed? How could the kid ever carry on the family name?
That said, she's also got kids who really don't have disabilities, they just have character flaws, and it's their parents' fault. Mom and dad can afford to take them to psychs who tell them they have a certain disorder, and this absolves them from having to admit they did a bad job parenting. These kids tend to be hell incarnate to deal with relative to a kid who actually has autism or Asperger's, from what she's described.
The other problem is that, for whatever reason, teenagers now-a-days like to self-diagnose themselves with disorders, and Asperger's is the self-diagnosis for attention-starved kids du jour. A few years ago, it was cutting. Before that, it was autism. Before that, OCD. Before that, ADD. None of these kids have ever seen the inside of a psych's office, and none of them have these problems. It's a quick and easy way to gain sympathy and attention, and also explain away having to be polite or do their homework. "I have ADD and I'm autistic, gaaaaawd, why don't you leave me alone??" Way to make life more tough for the people who are affected by it!
There's a whole passel of respected mental helath professionals out there who feel that neither Asperger's or Autism actually exist; or that at the very least they are both egregiously over-diagnosed. A woman trainer I know and used to work with (who also has her MA in Education) has about an 80% success rate over the past few years from treating alleged Asperger and Autism clients with a regimen of diet and exercise, much to the suprise and wonder (and eternal gratitude) of their parents.
Also, many kids mid-diagnosed with Asperger's are simply suffering from maladaptive social skills. Or they're acting-out because of parental guidance problems. Doubt it? Riddle me this: why is the percentage of Asperger kids who come from broken or dysfunctional homes so damn high? (we're talking about 70%!)
Of course, alot of kids from lousy homes suffer nutritionally; which brings us nucely back to what I said about my trainer friend's success.
But most parents of these kids are loathe to admit the fault may at least in part lie with them, so having these kids diagnosed with a fancy sounding, albeit bogus disease assuages guilt.
From the families I've known, there's an obvious hereditary aspect to Asperger's. Since one of the hallmarks of the disorder is social dysfunction (often to an extreme), it makes sense that there would be a high percentage of broken/dysfunctional homes with Aspie children in them.
That said, the two families I know well who have Aspie kids (3 between them) are both long-term marriages that seem to be quite comfortable with each other. One mom is a nurse, one a former kindergarten teacher, and both feed their children healthy diets with no artificial colors and restrictions on other additives. They eat mostly organic meats and vegetables.
Someone please explain to me why parents of so called aspergers kids say it is so very difficult to live with those kids, and on the other hand, they say that no one would be able to identify an aspergers kid by observing or being around them, which leads one to believe they are so normal you can't tell the difference.
These kids are supposedly very bright, but they are provided with one on one aides at school. It doesn't matter that some other kids have trouble organizing, these kids get someone to do it for them.
The more I hear about aspergers, the angrier I get because it is the latest designer affliction used to get benefits and medication to quiet someone who might just have a lot of energy. It used to be ADD, then ADHD, now it's aspergers.
I know for a fact that some of these kids are labelled because the parent wants special accommodations at school or extra income or insurance. I know this.
There is Nothing Designer about Aspergers. It is a REAL disability!
Asperger's is definitely real. So is ADHD. Both are overdiagnosed. My mom has had to work with kids who can barely function normally and just plain don't get social norms even though everyone else in their family is a true-blue socialite (she works for a wealthy school). They were socialized exactly like their total-babe older sister and homecoming-king younger brother, and their parents are absolutely terrified that no matter what they try, their kids can't learn the social skills that have been the hallmark of their family for generations. It's not a situation where they were a bunch of namby-pamby sissies who told their kids it was absolutely fine to disregard social bylaws and obssess about a seemingly trivial pursuit.
This was my upbringing. I get social rules now, but it's a mental algorithm for me--it's not intuitive the way it is for most people. I only started to get them around age 19 or 20 after I spent lots and lots of time studying psychology, sociology and linguistics in my free time. That isn't to say it's the end of the world--it just is what it is. My case is also pretty mild. Some Aspies can't even compensate with mental algorithms. They just don't get social stuff.
My mom's a special ed teacher who has extensively studied and worked with people all up and down the autism spectrum.
Asperger's is definitely real. So is ADHD. Both are overdiagnosed. My mom has had to work with kids who can barely function normally and just plain don't get social norms even though everyone else in their family is a true-blue socialite (she works for a wealthy school). They were socialized exactly like their total-babe older sister and homecoming-king younger brother, and their parents are absolutely terrified that no matter what they try, their kids can't learn the social skills that have been the hallmark of their family for generations. It's not a situation where they were a bunch of namby-pamby sissies who told their kids it was absolutely fine to disregard social bylaws and obssess about a seemingly trivial pursuit.
Once when I was visiting back home, I picked my mom up from her job and brought my girlfriend, who was Japanese-American. As she did all through my teens, she wanted to introduce me and my gf to her students. I walk in and say hi, and three of the students immediately start greeting me. Then, one of them says, "Are you a lesbian?" to her. "Your hair looks like a lesbian haircut. Lesbians are really cool!" She had short hair, like an Asian lesbian who worked at the school. Then, he waited with a big smile for an answer.
Find out later from my mom, the kid's dad is the CEO of a major financial firm. Can you imagine how much they'd like to be able to bring thier kid to social functions without committing a social faux pas like the one he'd just committed? How could the kid ever carry on the family name?
That said, she's also got kids who really don't have disabilities, they just have character flaws, and it's their parents' fault. Mom and dad can afford to take them to psychs who tell them they have a certain disorder, and this absolves them from having to admit they did a bad job parenting. These kids tend to be hell incarnate to deal with relative to a kid who actually has autism or Asperger's, from what she's described.
The other problem is that, for whatever reason, teenagers now-a-days like to self-diagnose themselves with disorders, and Asperger's is the self-diagnosis for attention-starved kids du jour. A few years ago, it was cutting. Before that, it was autism. Before that, OCD. Before that, ADD. None of these kids have ever seen the inside of a psych's office, and none of them have these problems. It's a quick and easy way to gain sympathy and attention, and also explain away having to be polite or do their homework. "I have ADD and I'm autistic, gaaaaawd, why don't you leave me alone??" Way to make life more tough for the people who are affected by it!
So sorry i am not going to disagree with you, but i do in one sense the children i refer to, and now my nephew, know they have something wrong with them, they don't want a label, just want to be normal, but they are not. I resent those that put a label on themselves, and it should not be there, for it is factual for so many children. This is not a reflection on Parents not a way a parents has raised their kids did this, that is ignorant. This is a true PERVASIVE DEVELOPMENTAL DISORDER That affect most all that has to do with neurological conditions.
The battery of testing, is not cheap, and for those of you who think so, these test are not done lightly, there is much to do with the fine tune testing that is for testing children with aspergers. These tests are not even done without months of talking with the Parent's first the child on many many occasions, and after many check ups. From the time a teacher or parents suspects there child might have aspergers, it is months and months sometimes over a year, before testing is done. Then after the testing is done, they have to go to a center for more testing, the diagnosis is not something given lightly, for it is after many many Doctors all believe the same thing, then the determination is made.
Where's the science that this is a "PERVASIVE DEVELOPMENTAL DISORDER" California-Jewel? And who paid for it?
Are you saying EVERY diagnosis is due to "PERVASIVE DEVELOPMENTAL DISORDER?"
What does "pervasive" even mean in that context?
You know dang well that every diagnosis is not due to a PERVASIVE DEVELEOPMENTAL DISORDER, if it is not one in the group.
First of all, do not worry about who is paying for it, if your not. Tell me what you believe Pervasive is, i know do you, explain it to me and i will tell you if you are right.
If your not paying for it and this is not your child, do not worry about it. Now tell me what pervasive is. And i will tell you what i was told. It is a number of things, now please tell me, i don't like your attitude, or i would have.
And you dang well know what i mean, no not every child has aspergers either so no those kids would not have pervasive developmental disorder would they now.
It is a number of things, please list them for me.
And please list them in order.
I will be honest and tell you if your are right.
Oh by the way, it is a year later, and still has not been paid for yet, more testing.
Last edited by california-jewel; 04-03-2011 at 12:57 AM..
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