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View Poll Results: In your opinion, what is President Obama's race?
White 4 1.73%
Black 59 25.54%
Multiracial 142 61.47%
I don't believe in "race" 26 11.26%
Voters: 231. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-20-2011, 09:11 AM
 
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Should I consider myself Geordie-American-Australian???
You can call yourself Queen Elizabeth III for all I care.
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Old 04-20-2011, 09:16 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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It is not that Americans want or like to belong to a team, it is that the nature of this society has created such a dynamic.
I disagree,Americans are WEIRD about such things....I mean it is something so foreign to me how Americans NEED to have a 'team' and of course need their team to 'win'....



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Yeah, when I am abroad, I do see myself as an American, and if people see me as black or even as an African come back home, that's cool too. Again, it's not black folk who started all the labeling jazz, and now that it's metastasized, can't none of us stop it.
Of course you can....why keep it going?
If asked,you are American....that's it.
Same as I am.

If I was asked where I am from,I would say originally I am from Australia,I am now a US citizen.







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Means nothing. I look in the mirror, I see an African. Africa is in me, in America, and in Americans (and across the world). What matters is how we see ourselves, not how others do.
Then you are categorising yourself just like back in the bad old days of mandated racism.


Oddly enough most black Americans do not look African to me....same as a lot of white Americans don't look 'European'...haven't you found that overseas?

It is normally very easy to spot Americans....
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Old 04-20-2011, 09:18 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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You can call yourself Queen Elizabeth III for all I care.
And you can call yourself African American...

Both aren't factual.
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Old 04-20-2011, 09:24 AM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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You mean 'African American'?
Remember,you aren't black.

When did I refer to myself as an African American consistly? As far as I'm concerned terms such as "black", "person of color", "African American", and even "nubian" CAN be used interchangeably. Like I mentioned before your limited scope of black america should be learned and not regurgitated like many of your previous statements. I think that you should also read and understand instead of just "glossing" over what is written, since you have gotten me confused with someone else.

I would wager most Blacks here weren't even BORN in the civil rights era,let alone experienced any of the 'daily struggles'....

This statement alone shows your apparent ignorance of the lifestyle of the typical person of color. In many cases throughout this country blacks are struggling with racism EVERY DAY. I was born and seen what happened to the brothers and sisters during that time. I also grew up watching my neighborhoods go downhill due to certain racist policies, as did many blacks that are 40+ years old. As for you own limited information, the historic civil rights movement occurred in the 60's which I believe there are still folks still alive to have witnessed it.

Yeah...I must remember that....all the time thinking living in a black area,working with black people might give me some clues...who knew that the black people here don't know what they are talking about???
You could have worked with recent African immigrants for all that you know since we all have the same experiences and knowledge in your mind. Let me refresh what you should already know. All blacks do not share one collective thought! There are some that have no clue about their history and don't want to know, there are some that are very well aware of their past and trying to change the negative to a positive, and there are people who are inbetween both trains of thought.

Oh by the way, being a white person working with blacks does automatically make you an expert on our history or all of our ways of thinking
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Old 04-20-2011, 09:24 AM
 
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And you can call yourself African American...

Both aren't factual.
I am an African. Are you a Queen?
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Old 04-20-2011, 09:31 AM
 
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I disagree,Americans are WEIRD about such things....I mean it is something so foreign to me how Americans NEED to have a 'team' and of course need their team to 'win'....
Though many Americans exhibit these traits, it seems to me that this is more a human nature thing than something distinctly American.

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Of course you can....why keep it going?
If asked,you are American....that's it.
Same as I am.
I wish we were all the same. But you and I know that is not so. Have you observed a South Carolina election lately?

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Oddly enough most black Americans do not look African to me....same as a lot of white Americans don't look 'European'...haven't you found that overseas?
Yes, but that has as much to do with demeanor, dress, etc. and experience as it does DNA.


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It is normally very easy to spot Americans....
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Old 04-20-2011, 09:39 AM
 
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I am an African. Are you a Queen?
You were born there?
If so,then you are indeed from Africa,just like Afrikaners are African....
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Old 04-20-2011, 09:43 AM
 
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You could have worked with recent African immigrants for all that you know since we all have the same experiences and knowledge in your mind.
Yes,having lived HERE in THIS town for 22 years I can't yet tell the difference between black Americans and African immigrants....

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Let me refresh what you should already know.All blacks do not share one collective thought!
Really?
Then why do so many black posters here attempt to speak for black people?
I have only known one guy in recent times who called himself 'African American',and oddly enough,he was bi-racial....

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There are some that have no clue about their history and don't want to know, there are some that are very well aware of their past and trying to change the negative to a positive, and there are people who are inbetween both trains of thought.
Some people don't like history,so some people won't like their own history....


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Oh by the way, being a white person working with blacks does automatically make you an expert on our history or all of our ways of thinking
Neither does your skin pigmentation....it just makes you black.
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Old 04-20-2011, 09:45 AM
 
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Holy crap, and some claim liberals talk about race too much.

He identifies with blacks because he looks like a black, and thats probably who he has been accepted by.

Can we talk about some issues with any substance please?
Barack Obama does not look black, he looks mixed. If he walked into any African city or village he would stand out like a sore thumb and everyone would know he has a white parent. It's only in our country that mixed people are considered to look "black".
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Old 04-20-2011, 09:47 AM
 
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But why claim just black instead of just white...he was raised by a white mother and grandparents.
You, and everyone else on this thread really needs to read this page thorougly


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