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I don't know how old you are, but I was born in the 1950's ... and I have seen the dramatic shifts and changes.
No comparison at all to the mosh pits and the satanic devil music and the moral decline we see occurring right now ... like Lady Gaga blood soaked chest. You'd have to be a blind fool not to notice the cult of death .... the skulls ... the blood ... the soul shattering evil of this cultist style death music.
Before the 50's if you sought out after the cult of death, skulls, blood, satanic rituals it was there, just hidden a bit, if that's what a person was interested in they would find it. It did not just pertain to young people, alot of rich white men and women belonged to these groups.
In case you haven't noticed .. the world has gone stark raving insane ... the likes of which we have never seen before in this country.
I can agree with that.
And what worries the fine ladies here? They're worried about their legal right to kill babies.
Charming.
Don't speak for all the fine ladies here, you are not a woman. What worries most of the fine men here?
It is a man's world! Is that why the world is so screwed up? I believe in equality, treating each other as we would like to be treated. Only then can we be truly be free to be self creative.
Do you know that women comprise 0% of the players in the NFL, NBA, MLB ? Is that a conspiracy against women too? Or is it just a fact of life you are unwilling to accept ... that men and women are different ... and not at all equal in capability on multiple measuring points?""""
Losing the "equal human rights" argument so segue into the NFL....so , do ALL men qualify for the NFL? The rest are women? I haven't seen one post by a woman claiming that men and women are the same and the feminist movement has never claimed men and women are the same they just are both HUMAN and both deserve HUMAN rights.
""You are not a man ... no matter how wronged or cheated you feel about that. And it's not our fault either. Got a complaint ... register it with the MAN upstairs.""
Again, NO PROOF that there is a "man" or anything else upstairs or anywhere else....totally non-existent "argument".
Poor you ... you're the only person in the world that has ever been denied. But if you were a man, life would all be just one long walk in the park on a bright sunny day ... is that it? The men just have it so much easier in life ... is that what you are claiming here? I got news for you ... as tough as it is being you ... you haven't a clue what it is like to be someone else."""
..and neither do YOU.
""You're dreaming ... the real big bad white men ... the one's you never see and don't even know exists, own you ... every thought in that head, and every dance step you take. Like a puppet on a string ... and you are so predictable and EASY. ""
And men aren't? LOL! Men can't be led like puppets? Yup! and they even came with a HANDLE to lead them by!
""Actually, there is no hiding your condescending tone""
Condescending as in trying to set seperate rules for half the population??
when it comes to anything that strikes you as reflective of a traditionally female activity, role, or occupation. And no way to snatch those words back out of the air with an awkward, left handed correction.
Furthermore, I think the women who proudly do that job and don't feel it beneath them to do so, prefer the term "Flight Attendant" over "stewardess". At least that's what I've been told ... by flight attendants.
So if you're going to be a man, then you're going have to watch what you say, and how you phrase things a little more in the future. To be a man these days, one has to live up to and be held to a higher standard. """
Waiting.......the world is waiting for those "perfect" men to step up and make the world perfect....still waiting...and waiting...
Stewardess ... little lady .... babe ... honey ... sweet cheeks ... all those things are out!! Just a word to the wise .... know what I mean?
Isn't it perplexing that otherwise intelligent people toss the brains out the window ... develop tunnel vision ... and refuse to embrace common logic?
My experience with western male attitudes toward females in general mirrors my own in substantive measure, and it is preposterous and insulting to suggest that we "hate" women. I'm sure there are the dinosaurs out there that look upon women as having only one useful purpose ... but even these rather rare attitudes PALE in comparison to the oppressive nature demonstrated in so many other cultures regarding females. Even the polite Japanese expect the female to walk behind the male, and always present a subservient posture in public. Can you imagine the hatred and vitriol that would generate here toward the buffoon who'd suggest that? And that is MILD, in comparison to the manner in which women are treated in Islamic cultures ... not allowed to drive automobiles ... not allowed to expose any portion of themselves except that which is necessary to see .... not allowed out of the home without escort of a family member, and never dare they converse with a member of the opposite sex unless they are blood related or married to them.
Even in light of these facts, American women continue to insist how oppressed and mistreated they are in our society ...which is really hard to fathom ... and it's so obvious that they are being played like a violin with the constant barrage of messages of dis-empowerment, but don't try to convince them that they are not shackled. If you do ... you hate them!
At the same time, so many women around the world look at America as a paradise for women, and view this constant complaining of American women as asinine nonsense coming from spoiled brats, exhibiting extreme symptoms of penis envy.
What a dense argument...other women have it worse so American women should be happy??
Sorry, that's stupid...we do NOT have to grateful ....there are women who are beaten to death by a "superior" "man" so those who aren't should be grateful??? NO, women don't have to be grateful for the crumbs anymore....
And it is YOU who has constantly whined about how terrible the US is, YOU who has been complaining about about how those evil women have ruined the country..YOU....and there are your posts to prove it....
You do realize that the modern Women Right's Movement began in the mid-1800's, right? And apart from the fact that many courageous women pioneered the cause, many man have also been a part of the movement too and understood it's importance? One of the many important events to jump-start the movement was an essay called "The Subjection of Women" by John Stuart Mill written in 1869:
"We are continually told that civilization and Christianity have restored to the woman her just rights. Meanwhile the wife is the actual bondservant of her husband; no less so, as far as the legal obligation goes, than slaves commonly so called."
No, I realize nothing of the kind because your quoted talking point is baloney! I'm guessing you're in your 20s and thus have never known any culture but what you see around you today.
The deterioration that produced the sad state of affairs we see today with so many women so angry and bitter, so caustic and belligerent, because they are so misguided and unhappy, began in the 1960s and found its stride in the 1970s.
My life began in the late 40s and I watched it all happen, so don't try to tell me that this is nothing new.
No, I realize nothing of the kind because your quoted talking point is baloney! I'm guessing you're in your 20s and thus have never known any culture but what you see around you today.
The deterioration that produced the sad state of affairs we see today with so many women so angry and bitter, so caustic and belligerent, because they are so misguided and unhappy, began in the 1960s and found its stride in the 1970s.
My life began in the late 40s and I watched it all happen, so don't try to tell me that this is nothing new.
Here's another:
""The world didn't start until I was born (nothing happened or is relevant until that glorious day) and I have NO proof that all women are bitter, angry manhaters because they want equal rights but I'll say it anyway""
poster.
I don't know any caustic, angry, bitter women and if the poster does...maybe it's just the women who know HIM...
Quick question, why use a female-centric word if the true goal is equality between men and woman? Why not use some word that is gender neutral like "equalist"? I'm for all of those goals you stated and I much prefer a world where women can determine their own destiny, the term just seems divisive and the extremist branches who ARE divisive don't help either.
Quick answer, the word was adopted to address an inequality in status, with the feminine side being lower in status. Feminism was an advancement of feminine interests in order to achieve equality, not to achieve superiority. I think that some feminists are more extreme, but in a very human way. Whenever there is an imbalance, there are some that see balance as being achieved by an equal imbalance in the opposite direction, while most see balance as a simple redress of the imbalance.
Quick answer, the word was adopted to address an inequality in status, with the feminine side being lower in status. Feminism was an advancement of feminine interests in order to achieve equality, not to achieve superiority. I think that some feminists are more extreme, but in a very human way. Whenever there is an imbalance, there are some that see balance as being achieved by an equal imbalance in the opposite direction, while most see balance as a simple redress of the imbalance.
Good morning,
Thanks, I appreciate the reply and can understand the historical meaning of the term, I just wish it could be updated as a means to include everyone who wants equality. The equal imbalance faction of feminism is some food for thought, and I believe is the main disconnect that both sides are talking past in this debate. I think "feminism" would be a lot more acceptable for men if the superiority extremist faction was ostracized by most women who call themselves "feminists". I still prefer the term "equalist" since it's inclusive and seems to be a term focused on equality for both genders.
I wonder if we zeroed in on the ills of the "superiority faction" of feminism, if there would be some common ground reached in this thread.
I think when women in this thread see a man speaking against feminism, they personalize it and see it as speaking out against equal opportunities for all women. I believe some (not all) of the men who speak out against feminism, are really speaking out against the extremist factions like NOW who have done good things for women's rights historically, but now want extra rights for women. NOW's fight against 50/50 child custody is one example of seeking extra rights instead of equal rights.
Your posts, though I often disagree with them in content, are always well written....articulate and courteous. Agree or disagree, I can't imagine anyone being offended by them. But have you taken a look around you lately? At the attitudes, demeanor, and communication style of the people you are associating yourself with by group name?
You're nothing like them and that is very much a compliment.
I thank you for the intention of a compliment. But first of all, I stand by my assertion that identifying one's self as a feminist is NOTHING like identifying one's self as a Hell's Angel. Feminism is about a philosopy. A philosophy about equality. There's no club that you join. There's no meetings. There aren't any clubhouses. There's no membership cards. No identifying tattoos. No activity that feminists all engage in. Clubs and organizations have members. Feminism doesn't have members, it has proponents. Because it is a philosophy. While people may sometimes join together to advance the interests of feminism, there are no membership requirements, not even that one be a woman, in order to participate.
As for looking around me. I've read with interest the input of the people on both sides of this discussion. Sometimes I've laughed, sometimes I've shaken my head in dismay, sometimes I've nodded vigorously when reading the posts. People are understandably passionate about this issue. But the fact is that just like any other issue, I can only speak for myself. My position, my opinions are solely my own. I don't speak for all women. Nor do you speak for all men, correct? So if there are some posters whose tone or word choices you think are a bit harsh, why would you consider those to be representative of all feminists? I frankly didn't think the posts on this thread were particularly harsh, though I think some were what I would call pointed, on both sides. I have no problem being associated with other intelligent, articulate passionate women who share my philosophy that men and women are equals.
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Losing the "equal human rights" argument so segue into the NFL....so , do ALL men qualify for the NFL? The rest are women? I haven't seen one post by a woman claiming that men and women are the same and the feminist movement has never claimed men and women are the same they just are both HUMAN and both deserve HUMAN rights.
NO, women don't have to be grateful for the crumbs anymore....
