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Right, it's definitely the fault of liberals and progressives that corporations are people now and can do whatever they please without any repercussions. Would you bark like a dog if Limbaugh said to?
What are you talking about? That has nothing at all to do with this issue, but while we are on it, if unions are treated like people when they are also a corporation, then fair is fair.
Back on topic now, it was Progressives (Clintons) that did this to America. They started this offshoring of jobs thing and convinced Americans that they don't want those jobs anymore. They are also the ones who invented NAFTA, preferred trade partners with China, no tariffs and also repealed Glass-Steagall which sterted the ball rolling with banks using up YOUR money to make investments for themselves and make loans with YOUR money and when they lost it, you are SOL.
Ok, but you're gonna have to build a couple of these on the edges of your town, because that's the only place a .75 an hour job holder could ever live in this country:
In the Global Free Marketâ„¢, you have workers in China and India making pennies on the dollar doing industrial work and manual labor, manufacturing the products you see in Wal Mart.
In a true global free market, people are paid what they are worth. If Americans want manufacturing, call center, and all of those other jobs that have been outsourced over the past 30 years, American's must be willing to accept the global market rate wage for their particular profession.
No traffis, no import duties, no extra taxes for corporations. In a global economy, you will be paid global wages, period.
What do you guys think?
I think the progressives are too blind to see this is exactly what road they are driving down. The wages of the US middle class are going to continue to fall to parity.
We know, from both economic and logical perspectives, that an employer will not pay a given wage unless the value produced by the work exceeds the wage paid. Marx analyses those connections much more intricately in his pamphlet, "Value, Price, and Profit"
In a free market, workers are paid what their employers deem them to be worth. That is to say, what their employers can get away with paying them. That figure has no relation to the workers' intrinsic value as human beings, nor does it even correspond to the amount of value those workers produce.
In the early days of coal mining, the work was not only extraordinarily dangerous, it was very low paying. It was only when miners organized into labor unions that wages rose significantly. The miners were the same, the mines were the same, the work was the same, and the mining companies were the same; and yet, the companies were paying a lot more in wages to the miners they employed. Did the actual value of the workers or of the work go up?: no, the only thing that had changed is that the miners demanded a larger share of the profits derived from their labor.
Workers in nations which are traditionally challenged economically, will accept what little they're offered...for a while. But eventually, like the late nineteenth century miners in the US, they will demand a larger share of the profits produced by their labor.
The virulent and exploitive form of hyper-capitalism that has taken root in the world today cannot continue to exist for long because it is causing the destruction of the middle class. Human morality aside, the system will implode from its own arrogance and greed. I suspect that Adam Smith would be appalled at what is passing for a "free market" today.
We know, from both economic and logical perspectives, that an employer will not pay a given wage unless the value produced by the work exceeds the wage paid. Marx analyses those connections much more intricately in his pamphlet, "Value, Price, and Profit"
In a free market, workers are paid what their employers deem them to be worth. That is to say, what their employers can get away with paying them. That figure has no relation to the workers' intrinsic value as human beings, nor does it even correspond to the amount of value those workers produce.
In the early days of coal mining, the work was not only extraordinarily dangerous, it was very low paying. It was only when miners organized into labor unions that wages rose significantly. The miners were the same, the mines were the same, the work was the same, and the mining companies were the same; and yet, the companies were paying a lot more in wages to the miners they employed. Did the actual value of the workers or of the work go up?: no, the only thing that had changed is that the miners demanded a larger share of the profits derived from their labor.
Workers in nations which are traditionally challenged economically, will accept what little they're offered...for a while. But eventually, like the late nineteenth century miners in the US, they will demand a larger share of the profits produced by their labor.
The virulent and exploitive form of hyper-capitalism that has taken root in the world today cannot continue to exist for long because it is causing the destruction of the middle class. Human morality aside, the system will implode from its own arrogance and greed. I suspect that Adam Smith would be appalled at what is passing for a "free market" today.
What do you liberals think will happen when you force a living wage on corporations? You're going to chase more jobs offshore. Do liberals always think about the means, or just the end result?
What do you liberals think will happen when you force a living wage on corporations? You're going to chase more jobs offshore. Do liberals always think about the means, or just the end result?
No matter what will happen, if someone works all day, they deserve an income that allows them to live without poverty. The mere existence of working poor shows that politicians and companies have failed miserably.
No matter what will happen, if someone works all day, they deserve an income that allows them to live without poverty.
Or, you can force the employer to do so and they can take their business and jobs elsewhere, then where will we be? Or do you propose a way to keep companies with physical force?
There should be very LIMITED government employment and let people earn what they can get in the market.
Some will make $20+ an hour, others aren't worth $4 because they can't do math, read or even wipe right their own butt.
I would drop the minimum wage for teenagers 16 and up so they can get some experience.
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