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A woman in pants in 2011 isn't a gender statement, it wasn't a gender statement when women wore pants during WW2, it was for safety reasons. Dress skirts get caught in machinery.
What's a man's excuse in 2011 to wear a dress in the classroom? He's gender confused.
As recent as 80 or so years ago we here in American (all of Western society really) put boys in dresses until age 8 or 9. They were very often pink too - pink was considered a masculine color 100 years ago.
No not DRESSES. Gender roles were more defined back then than today in 2011. Most definitely were. But no dresses for boys in pink. At the turn of the century they didn't have colors of clothing for children. Let alone color photographs 80 years ago. Colored fabric was for the super wealthy and if you want to talk about royalty wearing raiment then say so. But NO the common boy child didn't wear a dress 80 years ago when he was 8 or 9.
(You're reaching...really stretching for it, but it really ain't there to grab.)
A woman in pants in 2011 isn't a gender statement, it wasn't a gender statement when women wore pants during WW2, it was for safety reasons. Dress skirts get caught in machinery.
What's a man's excuse in 2011 to wear a dress in the classroom? He's gender confused.
Not the same for a woman.
And what's womens' excuse for wearing pants to the office in 2011?
And what's womens' excuse for wearing dresses at all?
I have answered your questions, just not in a way that you can corner me which is your intention. Woman have worn pants for 60 years, however they are clearly cut for women. They do not wear mans pants, a mans suit, a mans tie or mens shoes.
You are creating a scenario, the odds of which are so low, as to not warrant this argument. You can keep it going all you want, but honestly it's all ideological nonsense.
You didn't really answer. I can take from your mocking response that you don't consider a woman teacher wearing slacks indoctrination since it's recently become okay for women to dress like men. How about 60 years ago? Would it have been appropriate for a women teacher in the 1950's to wear slacks in the classroom, or would that have been "indoctrination"?
As to my second question, you never answered it. You instead presented fallacious statistics as a way to dismiss it and refuse to address it. As to your "figures," I'll say again that interperting this statement:
"If you ask experts at medical centers how often a child is born so noticeably atypical in terms of genitalia that a specialist in sex differentiation is called in, the number comes out to about 1 in 1500 to 1 in 2000 births"
to mean that .01-.02% are intersex is just blatantly incorrect.
I sent my kids to private school from pre-k to 8th grade becuse I wanted to control the environment that my children were exposed to. After that they went to public high schools and university where I think they were older and better able to interact with others that maybe outside the norm. Cross dressing is a reality true but sometimes I think we as parent should shield our children from lifes realities that they are not mature enough to be exposed to!
[quote=hammertime33;19420482]Ever heard of breeching?
Yes. Until the late 1800's, boys were often kept in dresses until the age of between 2 and 8, to help with potty training as the trousers of those days had complicated fastenings.
I'm assuming any man who has a teaching degree is also potty trained. Your point?
And what's womens' excuse for wearing pants to the office in 2011?
And what's womens' excuse for wearing dresses at all?
Cultural acceptance in modern American society.
If you go to Saudi Arabia will you see men in Chador/Hijab/Burka? No.
Are men in Saudi pressing society to wear Chador/Hijab/Burka? No. Why? Because culturally it's women's wear.
Culturally in the USA females wear pants or dresses. At some country clubs in the USA it's not allowed for women to wear pants. An example of a cultural social etiquette.
Men can wear a kilt out in public if they wish, nobody's going to stop you, but if you wanna cross dress teaching public school... someone's got to draw a line. Children do not need to be exposed to someone's kink fetish, when they're barely old enough to understand where babies come from.
Pushing the social envelope is totally out of line when it comes to the public school system. If you have a kink, work back office, not as a teacher in the front office.
It's one thing to say a person can do whatever they want on your own time and quite another to bring it into the workplace, let alone around impressionable children. Especially when it's someone elses impressionable children. It would be pointless to point out the reality of indoctrination by screaming that this is all about indoctrination, right?
A male wearing a dress would probably be Mrs. ___ to the kids.
I wouldn't mind. I'm transgender myself and so the idea of my kids having a transgender teacher doesn't scare me. I don't have kids but I also know what being transgender is about and realize there is nothing to fear.
If you go to Saudi Arabia will you see men in Chador/Hijab/Burka? No.
Are men in Saudi pressing society to wear Chador/Hijab/Burka? No. Why? Because culturally it's women's wear.
Culturally in the USA females wear pants or dresses. At some country clubs in the USA it's not allowed for women to wear pants. An example of a cultural social etiquette.
Men can wear a kilt out in public if they wish, nobody's going to stop you, but if you wanna cross dress teaching public school... someone's got to draw a line. Children do not need to be exposed to someone's kink fetish, when they're barely old enough to understand where babies come from.
Pushing the social envelope is totally out of line when it comes to the public school system. If you have a kink, work back office, not as a teacher in the front office.
Period.
Transgenderism is not a kink. It's really not comparable to fetishes and BDSM and the like because it's about gender identity, not sexual behavior or sexual orientation.
It's also important to keep in mind social standards change. In Iran, hijab is enforced for women. This wasn't the case before 1979.
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