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Old 06-13-2011, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The best way to tell if a Military recruiter is lying is to see if his lips are moving and hear if any words are coming out. I was told the same nonsense but at least I didn't believe it.
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Old 06-13-2011, 08:00 AM
 
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and when was that

I joined in 1983 (and retired in 2006, as a First Sergeant) and was never promised that
November 22, 1961...
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Old 06-13-2011, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Republicans to Vets: If you're not dead or visibly injured, sorry about that. You're on your own.

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are looking to end VA healthcare for over 1.3 million veterans who are Priority 7 & 8. These veterans are the least disabled veterans using the system, usually with disability ratings of 0 percent or no service-connected disability.
"I" have earned it and deserve it, "they" don't.
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Old 06-13-2011, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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USS Iwo Jima LPH-2 & USS LaSalle AGF-3
M-Division (engine room) former Machinist Mate Second Class Petty Officer (E-5). Desert Storm and Bosnia.
GO NAVY!!

(I dreampt I was in the Navy once. I woke up with a dishonorable discharge in my hand.)
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Old 06-13-2011, 09:16 AM
 
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While a Canadian with no dog in this hunt; I've got an ex-serviceman's opinion to put forth:

Servicemen who left the military at their convenience (choice) prior to retiring, without sustaining an injury, should not have access to the same (any) level of health care or insurance provided by the VA to "actual" veterans who sustained an injury while in the military, involved in action or in a theater of action, forced into retirement or forced to leave the military via that injury prior to retirement.

It's the same stuff up here. I, in no way consider myself eligble, as many others do, to even apply to use the "veteran's" license plate from having spent 3 years in the RCN in the sixties. These, rights, perks or whatever should be designated as available for those who walk-the-walk and talk-the-talk only.

I left the armed forces under my own volition and then accepted the responsibilty to provide my own insurance top-up beyond that of universally provided.

There's something wrong with the picture I have of two vet's undergoing similar physio; one with a leg missing from having stepped on a land mine in Iraq and one who tripped coming out of a bar on ninth street at 3 am.

Is this even possible? Am I way off base here?
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Old 06-13-2011, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Upstate
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Republicans to Vets: If you're not dead or visibly injured, sorry about that. You're on your own.
And the White House has ordered the DoD to cut $400B from the military. Who do you think will be paying the price?
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Old 06-13-2011, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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And the White House has ordered the DoD to cut $400B from the military. Who do you think will be paying the price?
Who should be paying the price? Besides, you think $400B over a number of years is a huge deal considering the costs?
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Old 06-13-2011, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Chesterfield,Virginia
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While a Canadian with no dog in this hunt; I've got an ex-serviceman's opinion to put forth:

Servicemen who left the military at their convenience (choice) prior to retiring, without sustaining an injury, should not have access to the same (any) level of health care or insurance provided by the VA to "actual" veterans who sustained an injury while in the military, involved in action or in a theater of action, forced into retirement or forced to leave the military via that injury prior to retirement.

It's the same stuff up here. I, in no way consider myself eligble, as many others do, to even apply to use the "veteran's" license plate from having spent 3 years in the RCN in the sixties. These, rights, perks or whatever should be designated as available for those who walk-the-walk and talk-the-talk only.

I left the armed forces under my own volition and then accepted the responsibilty to provide my own insurance top-up beyond that of universally provided.

There's something wrong with the picture I have of two vet's undergoing similar physio; one with a leg missing from having stepped on a land mine in Iraq and one who tripped coming out of a bar on ninth street at 3 am.

Is this even possible? Am I way off base here?
You make a very valid point.

The problem that we have here in this country is that there are many, many folks with an 'entitlement' mentality and that mentality extends to some former vets.

Me .. I wouldn't be caught dead in a VA Hospital .. W-E-L-L .. Maybe dead!
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Old 06-13-2011, 10:42 AM
 
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Republicans Want to Kick 1.3 Million Vets Off VA Health-Care to Save the Cost of Keeping Troops in Iraq and Afghanistan for 13 DAYS.

A billion can be a big number to wrap one's head around. If you had a billion dollars in $1000 bills, the stack would weigh 2,200 pounds!

Republicans Want to Kick 1.3 Million Vets Off VA Health-Care to Save the Cost of Keeping Troops in Iraq and Afghanistan for 13 DAYS | AlterNet
Gee, another post distorting what is ACTUALLY proposed.

"are looking to end VA healthcare for over 1.3 million veterans who are Priority 7 & 8. These veterans are the least disabled veterans using the system, usually with disability ratings of 0 percent or no service-connected disability."
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Old 06-13-2011, 11:06 AM
 
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I have a further example of a "Veteran's" viewpoint. My FIL was RCAF who was then 'ceded' to the RAF upon hi arrival 'in theater' during WWII to then fly 67 missions as a 'tail gunner' in Lancasters and Liberator's. He sustained a knee injury that plagued him all of his adult life (limp and pain) from a crash landing upon returning from one of those missions.

He was actually contacted here in Canada in the late 80's by RAF officials reviewing wartime records querying the extent of his disability with a view to providing a small pension if he had proof of any ongoing malaise from that injury. His answer: "it did not prevent me from making a good living at "design engineering" so I do not consider myself to have been disabled." His doctors could have easily provided whatever proof was required but he wanted no part of that.

Of course this would be different from those vets who've suffered a drastic 'quality of life' reduction from a service related accident. Shouldn't it be conducive to that degree of severity?
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