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Old 06-17-2011, 06:38 AM
 
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MSNBC is doing some bizarre( even for them) tv spots with their commentators. One particularly odd one has Rachel Maddow standing in front of a dam saying how they believe that the USA can still build huge projects and do great things while others say we can't. We're bankrupt, you ditzy, dopey dame. Yeah we can lead the world again but its going to take a radical departure from the way you want the country to continue being run.
Tell MSNBC Its not unpatriotic to want to save the country.
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Old 06-17-2011, 06:45 AM
 
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MSNBC is doing some bizarre( even for them) tv spots with their commentators. One particularly odd one has Rachel Maddow standing in front of a dam saying how they believe that the USA can still build huge projects and do great things while others say we can't. We're bankrupt, you ditzy, dopey dame. Yeah we can lead the world again but its going to take a radical departure from the way you want the country to continue being run.
Tell MSNBC Its not unpatriotic to want to save the country.
Loyal party members have to continue to forward the lie that all progress/recovery owes itself to government initiative, no matter how contary that may be.
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Old 06-17-2011, 06:53 AM
 
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As China doubles down on real infrastructure like high speed rail and airports that make ours look like the 60yo POS they are, Republicans govs. are sending money back to the fed that could have started to build the infrastructure that we will need in the future. Like the Fat butt Cristie who stopped building a road that would have cut traffic from his state to NYC. As republicans jump on important issues like abortion and destroying unions so they can destroy the voting base against them, China leaps ahead of us. Instead of Republicans building a base and working to gain the support of the people its easier for these rubes to try to stop people from vetoing than it is to get their vote. Idiots.
Ahh government job creation 101.
Dig hole, fill hole, re-dig same hole, fill same hole, repeat as many times as neccesary make it look like you are accomplishing something...
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Old 06-17-2011, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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MSNBC is doing some bizarre( even for them) tv spots with their commentators. One particularly odd one has Rachel Maddow standing in front of a dam saying how they believe that the USA can still build huge projects and do great things while others say we can't. We're bankrupt, you ditzy, dopey dame. Yeah we can lead the world again but its going to take a radical departure from the way you want the country to continue being run.
Tell MSNBC Its not unpatriotic to want to save the country.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Have you any idea at all how much development was done in the USA under FDR when the economy was in much worse shape than today? In the Soviet Union Stalin industrialized and electrified the entire country at a time when the country had no credit, no foreign reserves and no way to get any. For all the talking that goes on about the economy I find that most people don't even know what an economy is.

The problems of the economy in the USA pales in comparison to the real problems facing the country. Because politicians of all stripes are unwilling or unable to deal with the serious underlying problems that beset the country the economy is a good red herring to avoid making the hard choices that must be made if the USA is to survive as a great power.

The political system of the country is broken. It's corrupt, self serving and unable to act in the best interests of the people. Without major reform nothing will get better in the long run. The country is doomed to lurch from one crisis to the next.

Just about the entire political class in the country are nothing but self serving political whores, laying down for their masters, wether they are from the right or the left it makes no difference. The thing that is common to both is that they all represent special interests and not the interests of either the country or the people.

Your justice system is broken so badly that the highest court in the land can't decide cases based on the law but on strict ideolgy. What a mockery of freedom, no matter what your definition of freedom is.

I fear greatly for the future of the USA. Things just keep going from bad to worse and it seems that no one in positions of responsibility have either the desire or the intellect to begin to solve things.

How many times do I sit and watch American TV and hear some idiot proclaiming "The USA is the best country in the world". It reminds me of the old story of Nero fiddling while Rome burned. That's their answer for the troubles of the USA, We're the best.

Did you realize the biggest industry in the USA is now the entertainment industry? I think that in it's self is testamony to the decline of a once great productive society.
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Old 06-17-2011, 08:31 AM
 
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You could find this general line of thinking in most barbershops and coffeeshops, most days of any year since the founding of the country. Civilization has been going to hell in a handbasket ever since a caveman first drew a woolly mammoth on the cave wall.

But I am glad that people are so noisy about our current problems. It gives me faith that we will stumble through again.
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Old 06-17-2011, 08:34 AM
 
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Ahh government job creation 101.
Dig hole, fill hole, re-dig same hole, fill same hole, repeat as many times as neccesary make it look like you are accomplishing something...
The principle of Keynesian economics at its finest.

Time for change. Only one man can get the government to get this debt under control. His name?

Spoiler
Ron Paul
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Old 06-17-2011, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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The premise of this thread is that debt is the big problem, even though after WWII the nation had a bigger debt (compared to the size of the economy then) and we had many many years of prosperity and paid the debts -- even though the number of federal programs and defense grew. That's because we were willing to tax.

Today, there is no political will even to go back to the tax-rates of Clinton, which were the second lowest tax-rates in modern history.

Debt problems can be solved if we take the demagogues and ideologues out of the discussion.

The bigger problem, which leaders are ignoring, is 12,000,000 people out of work. Solve that and we solve the short-term deficit problem.
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Old 06-17-2011, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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The republicans don't give a damn about balancing the budget, and Obama would rather cave to them, than stand up for what's right to balance the budget.
It can be done, but we're very close to the point of no return. The country needs sane financial tax rates and controlled spending like we saw during the Clinton administration. We need to support independents like Sanders, libertarians like Paul, and the democrats throughout congress to lay the hammer down on the far right that are destroying this country with their outrageous spending and handouts to big oil, the rich, and corporations that we absolutely can not afford.
to bring us back to the clinton era spending..you need to CUT, and CUT drasticly

from 2008 to present

defense spending has increased 16%....... 593b to 673b
medicare spending has increase 29%....... 386b to 498b
medicaid spending has increased 44%..... 201b to 299b.....medicare/ciad makes up nearly 800 billion of our spending and is INCREASED big time each year
ss spending has increased 17% ........ 612B to 719b


cut ALL the spending
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Old 06-17-2011, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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to bring us back to the clinton era spending..you need to CUT, and CUT drasticly

from 2008 to present

defense spending has increased 16%....... 593b to 673b
medicare spending has increase 29%....... 386b to 498b
medicaid spending has increased 44%..... 201b to 299b.....medicare/ciad makes up nearly 800 billion of our spending and is INCREASED big time each year
ss spending has increased 17% ........ 612B to 719b


cut ALL the spending
Are those figures adjusted for inflation and population growth?

Both Medicare and SSA have dedicated taxes. The fact that they have increased spending is a function of baby-boomers retiring not out of control spending.

What is the source of your data?

Defense spending likely increased because Obama put the wars on-budget instead of leaving them out of the budget. According to the DoD, the defense budget is $685B, up 3%.

I question the figures until a source is denoted.
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Old 06-17-2011, 09:52 AM
 
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Cut spending, raise revenues, and reform entitlements. Problem solved.
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