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Old 07-08-2011, 10:32 AM
 
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CIA interventions etc is common knowledge, yet the world would rather see US policing the world than any other country.
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Old 07-08-2011, 10:34 AM
 
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This is not about to change in favor of China. The rest of the world are much more likely to be wary of China than to admire them.
I wouldn't bet on that. China provided $29 billion in foreign aid to developing countries and unlike Western aid it come unencumbered with strings attached regarding the domestic policies of the nations receiving such aid. China places no restrictions on its aid which is a marked difference from how western governments have pursued such policies. If you think that isn't admired by many developing nations... you should reconsider.
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Old 07-08-2011, 10:37 AM
 
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CIA interventions etc is common knowledge, yet the world would rather see US policing the world than any other country.
It might be common knowledge to some people in the US.

How many is known to only a few.

The people in those countries may know that the C.I.A. overthrew their government and maybe things got better for them so it wasn't all that bad. When the information gets out that we've done it to nearly 50 countries (probably more) it's not going to go over too well.

That's what I was referring to when I said freedom of information.
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Old 07-08-2011, 10:39 AM
 
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It's a tidal wave and there is absolutely nothing that can be done about it. It will result in exactly the opposite of a better life for you and your family.

Times are going to get hard. Real hard.
People tend to overreact. Times are hard, but they are not going to get "real hard" whatever that even means. Some things in this country are out of control like the cost of education, and the cost of health care, and the reasons which led to it need to be resolved. There is no reason why HC and educatio has to be so costly.

The economy will boom, there is no doubt about that, and US will remain the country of opportunity and the beacon of freedom. I have no doubt about that either. None, whatsoever.
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Old 07-08-2011, 10:44 AM
 
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It might be common knowledge to some people in the US.

How many is known to only a few.

The people in those countries may know that the C.I.A. overthrew their government and maybe things got better for them so it wasn't all that bad. When the information gets out that we've done it to nearly 50 countries (probably more) it's not going to go over too well.

That's what I was referring to when I said freedom of information.
The rest of the world examines the US with a magnifying class, so I can assure you it's the Americans who are uninformed about the doing of the CIA. The world is also well informed about the human rights problems in China, poverty and starvation in India, corruption in Russia, and crime in Brazil. These countries are not exactly beacons of anything, except maybe a quick buck in investments. Where do people immigrate to? China, Russia, India or the USA? You know the answer to that one.
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Old 07-08-2011, 10:48 AM
 
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Where do people immigrate to? China, Russia, India or the USA? You know the answer to that one.
That speeds the process of equilibrium up.

http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/s...10/table01.xls
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Old 07-08-2011, 11:02 AM
 
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I wouldn't bet on that. China provided $29 billion in foreign aid to developing countries and unlike Western aid it come unencumbered with strings attached regarding the domestic policies of the nations receiving such aid. China places no restrictions on its aid which is a marked difference from how western governments have pursued such policies. If you think that isn't admired by many developing nations... you should reconsider.
There are strings...

WikiLeaks cables: China's aid to Africa has strings attached | Jonathan Glennie | Global development | guardian.co.uk

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But there are two major concerns that Africans should consider. Firstly, there is no such thing as a free lunch, in China or anywhere else. China's interest in Africa is not driven by poverty concerns, but clear foreign policy and commercial objectives. China is now almost as interested in African politics as the west. In 2006, the Chinese ambassador to Zambia threatened to cut ties with the country should an opposition candidate that had criticised Chinese investment practices win power. Yesterday's US embassy cable about Nigeria shows how Shell, a British-Dutch company, is involved at the very highest levels of government. There is no reason to doubt that Chinese companies, even more closely linked to the Chinese government than western companies, will soon be doing much the same thing, if they aren't already (for example, in Sudan).
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This all links to the second concern – the cables use the term "Africans" to mean governments, but the interests of African governments should not be confused with those of African people. The majority of Africans have no idea what land, minerals and other resources are being sold to the Chinese in their names. They have valid concerns about losing contracts and jobs or seeing their wages undercut by imported labour and cheap deals.
No strings attached? What bull!
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Old 07-08-2011, 11:08 AM
 
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That speeds the process of equilibrium up.

http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/s...10/table01.xls
The table shows a more or less 1 million per year for several decades. What is the point?
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Old 07-08-2011, 11:20 AM
 
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The table shows a more or less 1 million per year for several decades. What is the point?
You can't compare trends in economic downturns?

What? You don't really see 1 million people per year for several decades do you?

If so you need to go to the doctor and have your vision and mind checked out.
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Old 07-08-2011, 11:31 AM
 
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You can't compare trends in economic downturns?

What? You don't really see 1 million people per year for several decades do you?

If so you need to go to the doctor and have your vision and mind checked out.
Well, it seems to fluctuate a little, but it went down during the tech boom, not up, and did not seem to go up or down during this recession. On the contrary it went up from 2007 to 2010. You need to remember that people leave when their own countries have recessions, and I do not think our ups and downs have that much to do with it. It also has to do with immigration quotes.

More importantly, these numbers represent the number of people obtaining a green card, and it takes years to get it, so recessions really can't have much effect on it.

What is your point anyway? Why do you offer these numbers?
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