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Theres no difference between a guy who works off the books than collects every hand out he can get and a guy who makes buku millions and stashes it offshore or pays for favorable tax legislation
Working off the books is illegal while taking advantage of tax loopholes is legal.
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When I hear right-wing types speak as in "survival of the fittest", thats not reality.
For the centuries before welfare, how did civilization not completely collapse?
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It shouldn't be about punishing anyone
It's not. It's about everyone having a monetary stake in this government. When you take more than you put in, you will always vote for the person that promises you more.
Ever notice certain posters can't explain their concepts, so the best they can do is post a link to a website?
I've been to the "Fair" Tax web site.
It uses a sleight of hand to hide the fact that it's actually a 30%+ sales tax on new goods and all services.
It doesn't tax any expenses incurred by corporations, making all corporate perks (food, housing, cars, vacation, health insurance, club memberships, etc) un-taxed.
It shifts the tax burden from the top 5% of income earners to the middle 60%.
It actually grows entitlements - back in 2005 it would be bigger than Social Security.
It's supporting economists baked the numbers to make them appear revenue neutral. Neutral economists expect that a rate of at least 35% and possibly 40% would be required for the Fair Tax to be revenue neutral.
It adds a new layer of unfunded mandates on the state governments as they would be the ones responsible for collecting the Fair Tax from all vendors of goods and services.
And it's all a smoke screen for repealing the 16th Amendment.
Working off the books is illegal while taking advantage of tax loopholes is legal.
For the centuries before welfare, how did civilization not completely collapse?
It's not. It's about everyone having a monetary stake in this government. When you take more than you put in, you will always vote for the person that promises you more.
Tax loop-holes are bought and paid for, you're missing the point !
To suggest our financial system should be based on evolutionary biological principles is nuts, see Enron for details, we earned our intelligence, lets use it.
If you want more productive people, teach them a skill, thats what we used to do, and it worked.
At Acme Manufacturing the Shop Floor Supervisor is going to be retiring soon. There are 47 people working under him. The company will promote from within because they have a number of well qualified employees to fill the position. So lets say that number is 6. All 6 are considered and their abilities are about comparable but the company only needs one Supervisor and one of them gets the position.
Must the other 5 quit and find some other supervisory position if they want to get ahead?
The other five should absolutely have to quit if they want to get ahead. How is this even a serious question?
Ever notice certain posters can't explain their concepts, so the best they can do is post a link to a website?
I've been to the "Fair" Tax web site.
It uses a sleight of hand to hide the fact that it's actually a 30%+ sales tax on new goods and all services.
It doesn't tax any expenses incurred by corporations, making all corporate perks (food, housing, cars, vacation, health insurance, club memberships, etc) un-taxed.
It shifts the tax burden from the top 5% of income earners to the middle 60%.
It actually grows entitlements - back in 2005 it would be bigger than Social Security.
It's supporting economists baked the numbers to make them appear revenue neutral. Neutral economists expect that a rate of at least 35% and possibly 40% would be required for the Fair Tax to be revenue neutral.
It adds a new layer of unfunded mandates on the state governments as they would be the ones responsible for collecting the Fair Tax from all vendors of goods and services.
And it's all a smoke screen for repealing the 16th Amendment.
Cite please...you can post a link if you actually have one...
Ever notice certain posters can't explain their concepts, so the best they can do is post a link to a website?
I've been to the "Fair" Tax web site.
It uses a sleight of hand to hide the fact that it's actually a 30%+ sales tax on new goods and all services.
It's called an "inclusive tax", I believe. No sleight of hand--you just pay the tax up front.
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It doesn't tax any expenses incurred by corporations, making all corporate perks (food, housing, cars, vacation, health insurance, club memberships, etc) un-taxed.
Where do those corporations get the food, cars, housing, etc? They buy them....and pay tax on them.
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It shifts the tax burden from the top 5% of income earners to the middle 60%.
The rich people spend money, right? You get taxed on what you buy. Isn't that fair? Warren Buffet covers his income in corporate tax breaks. With the "Fair Tax" he would pay for what he buys.
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It actually grows entitlements - back in 2005 it would be bigger than Social Security.
How so?
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It's supporting economists baked the numbers to make them appear revenue neutral. Neutral economists expect that a rate of at least 35% and possibly 40% would be required for the Fair Tax to be revenue neutral.
OK?
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It adds a new layer of unfunded mandates on the state governments as they would be the ones responsible for collecting the Fair Tax from all vendors of goods and services.
And IRS agents are free?
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And it's all a smoke screen for repealing the 16th Amendment.
Cite please...you can post a link if you actually have one...
So, you post a quickie page but demand full documentation from me?
How special of you!
Seriously, if I post the proof of my claims (and I have posted them on this forum before) will it actually have any chance of changing your view on the Fair Tax?
Because you've put no real work into this discussion, but you're asking me to spend an hour tracking down the links. I'd hate to waste the time.
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